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saturn_peaches t1_j2rih55 wrote

I can't help but wonder if this person would identify as queer/LGBT today. When people say "nobody was trans/gay/etc before! Now it's a trend!" I get super annoyed. Queer people always existed but that doesn't mean they had the knowledge or words to realize or express that whereas nowadays it's widely known about and people can more easily realize it and express it.

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langdonga t1_j2rmaef wrote

Or…or..hear me out…dresses made it harder to do day to day things

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saturn_peaches t1_j2rmpss wrote

For what it's worth, women had pants for sport (hunting, riding, tennis, etc) already during this time. They would be made to look like a skirt. Regardless this person seems to wear men's clothing for more than just function. They seemed to feel comfortable with presenting themself as masculine.

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series_hybrid t1_j2ry3ed wrote

"In spite of Jane's financial success, she was so frugal that she shared her home with another woman to help with expenses. We can only imagine how lonely she must have been, having never found a man to share a life with her and her three cats"

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I_am_BrokenCog t1_j2s1aj1 wrote

who do you listen to that the history of homosexuality is even slightly debatable?

The cross-dressing is not easy to identify with sexuality, individual cases might be, but there are numerous examples of straight cross-dressing, particularly for women to fit into a male role.

However that doesn't diminish the existence of non-binary, non-hetero sexual people throughout history. There are plenty of records of non-hetero people.

What is likely to be true is that the per-capita numbers of non-hetero sexual people has increased. Why that is one can only speculate.

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muscletrain t1_j2s2857 wrote

Have you read anything at all about ancient Rome/Greeks ? They were gay as the day is long and it was not frowned upon as it shouldn't be. Even for the middle East being queer being a bad thing is more of a western thing that was adopted.

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Tryignan t1_j2ruy02 wrote

You’ve definitely got a point, though the reactionaries will downvote you regardless. While I don’t think it’s right to decide if someone is queer without their say so, there were definitely a high number of historical figures that would be considered queer today, many of whom kept it hidden. Queerness isn’t a new thing after all.

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TexanTalkin998877 t1_j2t0s2l wrote

> I don’t think it’s right to decide if someone is queer without their say so

I don't think she minds the speculation at this point in the game, do you?

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whiterazorblade t1_j2s20i5 wrote

No one, male or female wanted to have sex with Jane. She was known to have stds, particularly chlamydia and the clap. It's where her name comes from.

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Noob_Al3rt t1_j2t46ua wrote

Lol she was horny as hell. She had like 4 kids by different fathers and worked part time in a whorehouse.

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