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GarbageDayEnthusiast t1_j7hxwb4 wrote

Maybe we should just stop shooting each other

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Griff82 t1_j7hzel0 wrote

Please.

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barnegatsailor t1_j7iadht wrote

But how else will I solve my problems? Words? I'm a God damn American man! I don't need words when I have rage!

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HoneyBadger_77 t1_j7hd87c wrote

My friend, who's currently our Chief, used to work with that department. Both officers are/were his friends. Praying hard for the families these two left behind. So heartbreaking.

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_j7gzx45 wrote

I jumped to the conclusion this was a school shooting

but it’s a shooting near a school, as the headline said.

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Correct_Sound t1_j7kj1tl wrote

That shouldn't even be the headline. It had absolutely nothing to do with the school.

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Redemption357 t1_j7l342d wrote

Except the fact that the incident occured directly up the hill from the school. I don't think the headline was inflamatory or too misleading. School was in session and they justifiably went into lockdown. Who knows what direction the commotion or bullets would start coming from

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Alternative-Flan2869 t1_j7l2uk5 wrote

How about some good news from McKeesport for a change? This was once such a cool place to live, work and visit.

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25Bam_vixx t1_j7i2d4v wrote

Police in usa isn’t the only one with guns but they kill 1000 people a year without a trial. We need better training if other countries have police with guns but don’t have our numbers.

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BurghPuppies t1_j7i7h7m wrote

Agree with all of that, and yet none of it is relevant here. An armed man with mental health issues initiated fire on them.

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BurghPuppies t1_j7i7c0z wrote

Ya know that fear and dread you feel about your husband’s health? Now imagine you got the worst possible news imaginable. That’s how these families are feeling. Maybe give the political grandstanding a break for a day or two. Karma can be a real bish.

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BurghPuppies t1_j7i7kt4 wrote

Mental health issues and access to guns. There’s your answer why.

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7i9b3m wrote

More of a mental health issue tho but still sad

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omw2fyb-- t1_j7ifr7l wrote

How come other countries have mental health issues but limited to no access to guns and they’re not going through this?

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7ihuvf wrote

They still have very high suicide rates on par with us like South Korea they have no guns but very high suicide rate in fact we’re not even top 10 for suicide rates per capita so there’s no evidence that supports no guns less suicide deaths

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omw2fyb-- t1_j7io3uo wrote

I’m talking about gun violence not suicide. Even if you remove suicide from gun death counts we still have one of the highest rates in the world and the highest gun violence rate out of all developed countries

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7ivdjg wrote

Actually we range about 8-11 thousand homicides with gun a year which is lower than all South American countries and we have more guns than they do

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omw2fyb-- t1_j7ivpzs wrote

You’re comparing us to South American countries? That’s exactly my point.

Compare us to Europe, Canada and East Asia. The other first world developed countries in the world. They all have mental health issues just like us… difference is they don’t have gun violence like us because they limit access to it

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7iw1eq wrote

The uk per capita is still close to American gun deaths per capita

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omw2fyb-- t1_j7iwdxm wrote

That’s not true at all

The UK’s violent gun death rate is 0.06 per 100,000. In America it’s 4.43 per 100,000. That’s a 73x difference

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/11/09/666209430/deaths-from-gun-violence-how-the-u-s-compares-with-the-rest-of-the-world

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7ixbfh wrote

the problem with that is you’re comparing two countries with separate problems lots of our numbers include gang violence and domestic violence which that does not

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MothWingAngel t1_j7j5pcz wrote

You can't just move the goal posts when you're shown to be incredibly incorrect.

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7j7for wrote

Yet you’re comparing both countries but aren’t using the same variables imagine that being your argument let’s compare apples to apples not apples to peaches

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MothWingAngel t1_j7jh5jb wrote

Just take the L

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7kgoi6 wrote

For what? You’re literally using skewed data and you have no argument against it lmao

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omw2fyb-- t1_j7kun96 wrote

They have gangs and domestic violence in the UK too. They just don’t have easy access to guns.

You’re delusional if you think otherwise

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7kzkp6 wrote

Well look at it this way remember the US has over 300 million + people with over 400 million+ guns in it and we only have 10-12thousand some homicides then there’s the uk who has a population of 60 million people with 2 million guns with extremely extremely strict gun laws so those guns are in an exceedingly small group of people so theoretically their gun crime should be damn near zero but it’s not not even close America has more guns than people but only has 10-12 thousand gun homicides so theoretically we should have a way higher number if guns were the issue

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omw2fyb-- t1_j7l13k8 wrote

We do have a way higher number. Not sure why it has to be repeated, you really are delusional about guns

The UK’s violent gun death rate is 0.06 per 100,000. In America it’s 4.43 per 100,000. That’s a 73x difference

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/11/09/666209430/deaths-from-gun-violence-how-the-u-s-compares-with-the-rest-of-the-world

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7l1bj0 wrote

U obviously didn’t read or can’t read what I just said lmao they had 5000 + gun offenses last year

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mynameisalso t1_j7jg45o wrote

>Actually we range about 8-11 thousand homicides with gun a year which is lower than all South American countries and we have more guns than they do

There's no way that is true.

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7kge5b wrote

It’s a 1000% true

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arkol3404 t1_j7kn5sd wrote

We actually range closer to 15,000 (in 2019) to 20,000 (in 2020) homicides with a gun per year.

>According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), a total of 45,222 people died from gun-related injuries of all causes during 2020, the last year for which complete data is available.

>In 2020, more than 19,000 of the deaths were homicides, according to the CDC. The figure represents a 34% increase from 2019, and a 75% increase over the course of the previous decade.

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7knl60 wrote

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

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arkol3404 t1_j7koda2 wrote

Interesting. Two separate government agencies reporting very different statistics.

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7kp3bo wrote

The fbi started it in 2015 and It was always around the same the cdc doesn’t show any of that or how they come to find their results tbh they’re very left leaning

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BurghPuppies t1_j7lmdz5 wrote

Not the smoothest deflection ever to go from random gun violence to non-gun related suicides.

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V_Cobra21 t1_j7lnv5l wrote

We were talking about mental health and suicide soooo

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BurghPuppies t1_j7p193z wrote

Not originally, look at the thread. You took it there. The original post was about the officers’ shooting, and the reason behind it - mental health & guns. You took it down a totally different road.

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Deadendbend t1_j7ides4 wrote

🤣 scared of those big bad assault rifles huh? Libs are the softest bunch. It’s hilarious

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BurghPuppies t1_j7ifa6q wrote

Loser

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Deadendbend t1_j7ionr7 wrote

Typical response from a dirty pissburger. Something tells me you’re poor 🤣

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BurghPuppies t1_j7irlwg wrote

If I were poor I’d be a gun loving Trump supporter, voting against my own interests.

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Deerbooty t1_j7k1kni wrote

Walk into oncoming traffic for everyone please.

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pizzapantifa t1_j7lximn wrote

Nah dude. I'm afraid of morons like you having access to them. Guns aren't scary in the hands of responsible and mature people.

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arkol3404 t1_j7knx6u wrote

Umm…yeah. I was at the Route 91 Harvest festival in 2017. The lady right next to me got shot in the neck. Had I been leaning forward, it would have been me killed. I’m not a “Lib.” I just know there’s no reason why we shouldn’t have better gun control laws.

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