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apk5005 t1_jdckfrh wrote

I have lived all over PA. TL:DR? The bigger towns like Reading, Lancaster, York, Hanover/Gettysburg, and Harrisburg/Hershey/Carlisle will meet your needs.

Based on what you are asking, I would say that Reading is a good fit (there is a large and growing medical industry, it has every big box store you could need, and the malls of the Philly suburbs are about 45-60 minutes away).

Alternatively, Gettysburg/Hanover/York could be another good fit. The suburbs of DC and Baltimore are both creeping north but prices in PA are still much lower than MD. Frederick and Westminster in Maryland have hospitals and shopping and are both 30 minutes away (depending on which town you leave from). All three have hospitals, though G-Burg is smallest. Hanover and York have the big stores (Walmart, Target, Sams, Dicks) and the DC area has everything that Philly has.

I have never lived in Lancaster, but I’ve lived all around it. It’s a good sized community with small farming towns around it. There is shopping and dining (chains, box stores, and local stuff). Penn Med, Penn State Med, WellSpan, and UPMC are all expanding across the state (buying up local hospitals) and Lancaster is seeing PSU and UPenn both moving into the market. It is located close enough to Philly that a train ride to hospitals in the city feasible (but pricy) on commuter rail. I took that train a few times and it is much less stressful than driving in at rush hour.

Harrisburg’s suburbs will be fine for you, too. Solid internet and a wide array of shopping/dining. On the medical side, Hershey Medical Center (east of Harrisburg) is the Penn State Med School. They have a massive complex. There are hospitals scattered around the Harrisburg “metro” area (metro is a strong word for Harrisburg). I would recommend against Harrisburg proper as well as the river towns of Steelton, Highspire, Middletown. They aren’t bad, but they have a distinct post-industrial vibe. Hershey, Mechanicsburg and Carlisle may be a good place to look.

State College is (wait for it) a college town. It has amenities and shopping, but it also has tens of thousands of college students coming and going. It can get wild on weekends (especially home games) and it is pretty isolated from anywhere else.

Pittsburgh is hardest to recommend…it is a big town that thinks it is a city. It defiantly has the population to be a city, but there are so many small communities with their own vibe that it is hard to nail it down. The terrain around the city is very hilly, which makes commuting/driving a challenge. If you aren’t by a highway, it may be a lot longer than a map would have you think, since all the roads seem to follow creeks. UPMC (University of Pittsburgh Medical Center) is the big name in town, but the outlying communities still have smaller, local hospitals and clinics. A good number of the towns around Pittsburgh got hit hard by the decline in industry and have not fully recovered. Crime is higher, incomes are lower, and (when I lived there pre-pandemic) heroin/opioids were a big problem. That said, there are great communities and places to live around Pittsburgh.

Away from the larger towns, you will struggle with internet and cell service. It is getting better, but the mountains and ruralness of the state make service spotty. Perhaps check the service in areas you are considering? A rule of thumb to imaging PA is to visualize a big T in the middle of the state running up from the Maryland line and branching east and west parallel to I-80 and the NY line. In the T you have large swaths with small towns, plenty of parks and protected woodland and not much else. There are some small college towns, but otherwise, it is mostly rural/agricultural. Finding reliable high speed internet within that T will be harder than finding it in the suburbs of Philly or Pittsburgh or one of the more developed areas like Reading, Scranton, Allentown, York, Lancaster, Erie, or Harrisburg/Carlisle.

Pennsylvania has a TON of state parks. Like 100+. They are largely spread up the arc of mountainous land that runs roughly parallel to I-81/78 from Chambersburg to Allentown, but they are all over the state. You swim in a Great Lake (Presque Isle, Erie), hike a trail with a dozen waterfalls (Rickett’s Glen), see the darkest skies on the East Coast (Cherry Springs SP) or go white water rafting (Ohiopyle state park) all in the same state. There is a ton of history - the Declaration of Independence was signed in Philly, the Gettysburg Battlefield is interesting, Fort Necessity (where young Lieutenant George Washington hid from angry French soldiers and Native warriors prior to ‘getting famous’) is outside Pittsburgh. And NYC and Washington DC aren’t more than a few hours away from most anywhere in the state (expect Erie…everything is far away from Erie, except Cedar Point amusement park in Ohio, that’s not far…)

A lot here…hope it helps

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nxl4 t1_jdd7k3j wrote

I'll second the Berks County recommendation. The Reading Hospital and adjacent health care networks are massive. The land is beautiful, with hills, valleys, forests, rivers, and lakes. I've lived in both rural Berks as well as Reading proper, and it's a really great area.

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rogerjcohen t1_jdde8oy wrote

This is a terrific summary. Myself, I’m in Lancaster (13 years now after a lifetime in Brooklyn and North Jersey) and I think it makes a credible case for its boast as ‘the coolest small city in America.” I disagree about Pittsburgh. It is sophisticated and urban yet small enough to be low-key about it. It is definitely a city in its look, feel and vibe. I love it.

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PokerPastor OP t1_jdcknh8 wrote

This was super helpful! Thank you so much!

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vitcavage t1_jdcvjby wrote

Plus Reading has a minor league baseball team so it gives fun summer options for the kids to break up monotony!

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Throwawaystudent0101 t1_jdd0bqe wrote

Hey hey! We have independent baseball in York/Lancaster too!

Honestly if your a fan of that York/Lancaster is a great place because we have the Revolution in York, Barnstormers in Lancaster and Senators up in Harrisburg so if there's a night you really want to see some baseball odds are over the summer at least ONE of them will have a home game.

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vitcavage t1_jddw2fm wrote

I stopped reading when the OP said Reading and assumed his entire comment was about Reading oops! Yes IronPigs also have a way cooler mascot!

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cuppa_tea_4_me t1_jdd9dzi wrote

Reading schools are awful

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18wheelapartment t1_jdlb7pa wrote

Luckily, Mullenberg, Mifflin, Wilson, Conrad Weiser, Exton, Antitim, and Wyomissing are not. All within about 10 minutes.

Choose your suburbs wisely.

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apk5005 t1_jdcl7gp wrote

Happy to do it. I worked for Penn State and that took me all over the state. If you have specific questions when you get closer to a move, I’m happy to help.

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VanceAstrooooooovic t1_jddf0aj wrote

I went to school in Gettysburg and grew up in State College. Gettysburg area has good proximity to DC and Baltimore, about an hour away depending on traffic. State College is great but you are 2-3 hours away from any other decent size towns. It’s literally surrounded by State Forests.

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Imaginaryfriend4you t1_jdco950 wrote

We are looking to move to Monroe County. Can you give me any details when you have the chance? sorry to bother you, I am kind of shy about making a post. We don’t need to commute but we have family in Hunterdon County, NJ would like to be an hour to two from there.

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apk5005 t1_jdcoxww wrote

I wish I could - NePA is not somewhere I have a ton of knowledge about. I’ve been through the area, but haven’t lived there. I suspect there are plenty of folks on this sub that can help!

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the_dorf t1_jdf66xj wrote

I would highly recommend Stroudsburg or Pleasant Valley school districts (not East Stroudsburg or Pocono Mountain); if no kids, still within those school districts'. Almost all shopping is along 611 and traffic blows on 80. Avoid the Walmart in East Stroudsburg. Some great state parks are fairly close, and the AT as well.

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Impressive_Bus11 t1_jdd8ny8 wrote

Every City is just a bunch of smaller communities cobbled together to build a city.

Pittsburgh is just cooler. Plus we have Andy Warhol and more bridges per capita than any other city on Earth.

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apk5005 t1_jdda171 wrote

I wasn’t trying to put down Pittsburgh. Living in Mohnton, Shillington, Wyomissing, or Exeter Township near Reading will be pretty much the same. Reading City is “a city”, the communities around it are “suburbs” without much in the way of unique flavors.

Shadyside is different from South Side which is different from Homestead which is different from McKees Rocks or Mount Washington, despite all being fairly close to one another and all being “Pittsburgh”. Never mind the spread of suburban communities…McKeesport isn’t like Sewickley or Cranberry.

There is more diversity in the communities of the tighter Pittsburgh area. That is a good thing, but it makes it harder to recommend one area or another.

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Impressive_Bus11 t1_jddkcz4 wrote

NYC is self-described as a "City of Neighbourhoods" (NYC.gov).

Youre not describing anything about pittsburgh that's not true for literally any major city on this planet. Name one homogeneous major/big city.

You'll find the same is true for Philly, LA, all of them. It's perhaps arguable that this is more pronounced for East Coast cities than West Coast because of their historic nature, but it's true for every City. Pittsburgh is unique in a lot of ways, but this isn't one of them.

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