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_KnightsDelight_ t1_it8dk2x wrote

What in the fuck is Ze/Zir and Xe/Xem???

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lawsofrobotics t1_it8vqxe wrote

Real answer: They're called "neopronouns." They're an attempt to create a new pronoun that's unambiguously singular, but not gendered, which is currently something English lacks. Some nonbinary people prefer them to they/them, but their use is relatively rare, even within the trans community. There have been a bunch of proposals over the years; xe and ze (pronounced the same) are the most popular, trailing they/them by a large margin.

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[deleted] t1_it9zwa0 wrote

I have a question about this. My district encourages (requires) staff to use preferred names and pronouns but not neopronouns. Is this normal?

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capitocoto t1_itbfnbv wrote

Neopronouns are functionally rare.

My office has a lot of trans folks and many nonbinary. We have… two? People who use neopronouns and both also use they.

I am trans and I have a social circle that has a lot of other trans people including a lot of nonbinary people and none of them use neopronouns.

They exist. But they are rare.

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[deleted] t1_itbs1r4 wrote

Yeah I've only run into one person who uses neopronouns but all of the trans and nonbinary people in my life use they/them and I know it is extremely rare.

I guess i was more curious why a school would have progressive policies but draw the line at neopronouns. They recognize trans people and their preferred pronouns and the counselors I work with even help the older students go through legal change of name process. There lack of support because it's rare would make sense but all of these other policies and meetings were for a handful of students.

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capitocoto t1_itbv99z wrote

I mean, within the trans community neopronouns are sometimes contentious. Not in the “don’t use them, they are an abomination” way that you see on with the Alt-Right, but in the “we are still in a deep conversation about what they convey and how they can be used appropriately.”

As a rare function, i can imagine that some places might avoid their use as a way to avoid misuse. I am trans and I am often unsure how to decline vaer or fae. I also have concerns that when I vocalize them (vs typing) I cannot hear a distinct difference between they, xe, ze, fae, and vie. So it always feels like I am saying they even when I am trying not to.

Neopronouns, I think, are still in a stage of growing pains.

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[deleted] t1_itby9dl wrote

This makes a lot more sense. I also could see the lack of defined neopronouns causing the school to currently reject them all instead of trying to determine what's accepted.

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SeaPoem717 t1_it8p0y1 wrote

Liberal bullshit

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TacoNomad t1_it92b9j wrote

New words are never developed. Ever. What was created centuries ago is all that there shall ever be, right?

Even your use of the word liberal in a political sense is unacceptable, because that was not it's original intention. Nor bullshit.

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Electr_O_Purist t1_it8q015 wrote

Get mad about something you don’t know or understand before even attempting to educate yourself. Go ahead, reactionary goon. Show everyone who you are.

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mid2yur t1_it8slsq wrote

It’s getting pathetic already. If you put this much energy into something productive maybe you wouldn’t have to combine random letters at the end of your signature.

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Electr_O_Purist t1_it8vbdk wrote

Sorry it triggers you, snowflake. Why don’t you head back to your safe zone where no one criticizes your astounding ignorance?

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_KnightsDelight_ t1_it91yk7 wrote

I don’t think anyone is really “triggered” by it as much as they find it ridiculous and attention seeking.

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Electr_O_Purist t1_it96rqp wrote

Because they don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about and they’re a bunch of reactionary blowhards.

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mid2yur t1_it9e92f wrote

I’m not triggered. Just sick of not knowing someone’s 1000 pronouns and getting yelled at. It’s pathetic. Grow up.

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Electr_O_Purist t1_it9jt51 wrote

Interesting…so, your gripe isn’t about other people’s experience with gender as much as it is about the threat of your own humiliation?

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mid2yur t1_it9jzxw wrote

You’re automatically made to seem like the asshole in the room when you don’t know what someone goes as

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an_ugly_bird t1_it9lnd6 wrote

I have to be real honest, this reads as your own insecurities and what you think others think about you. Never in my life has someone been upset about my making an honest mistake about their gender. Literally throw out a quick apology and move on. Also, it's the entire purpose of presenting your name and pronouns when being introduced. That way you know right away and can, therefore, not have to worry about being an asshole. And even then, if you slip up (as happens when learning new things), apologize, correct yourself, and move on. I assure you, treating others with empathy and humanity will never be an asshole move.

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--Cr1imsoN-- t1_it9kixt wrote

No, you’re just seen as human because people make mistakes. As long as you don’t act like an asshole about it, it’s really not that big of a deal.

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Electr_O_Purist t1_it9lekf wrote

Have you had this experience yourself? I’m genuinely curious to hear this. I thought maybe you just hated people who are trans or something, but it’s starting to sound like this is an ego thing about you.

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mid2yur t1_it9masq wrote

On a few occasions, yeah. I really don’t care what someone is, identifies as, really whatever. Do what makes you feel happy, truly. Maybe I’m in this mindset from the few times where I was berated and not given a chance to correct myself. But it is something I feel like I must not make a mistake on or risk being yelled at.

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Electr_O_Purist t1_it9nc4m wrote

So, your earlier comment about people’s experience with gender being “pathetic” isn’t the real you, and you’re actually supportive of people’s gender identities, so long as you are not berated about getting it wrong; have I got that right?

I ask because comments like your original one contribute to the high suicide rate of teens who are trans so, I want to make sure that, in your effort to be respected, you don’t accidentally violate your newly stated “do whatever makes you happy” principle.

Is there any chance you’re conflating an experience of someone correcting you with them flying off the handle? Maybe you’ve been a little sensitive to being corrected in the past?

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_KnightsDelight_ t1_it9p3bj wrote

Bruh what is this a therapy session? Are you gonna redeem of his sins for not getting a stupid fucking pronoun correct? And how the fuck does getting someone’s pronoun wrong contribute to the suicide rate? People are called assholes all day long but it’s not contributing to suicides. You got other problems in life if a simple mistake is driving you to suicide. Smfh.

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N8AF t1_itbcgha wrote

Clearly, you’ve never been to therapy. This is called a debate on Reddit. Is this your first day on the internet? Using the wrong pronoun doesn't contribute to suicide but bullying folks does. Which is exactly what you folks are doing and I don’t believe you’re anywhere dumb enough not to know this. This has little to do with name-calling and everything to do with intent. Your defenses are all the classic techniques of bullies. Which is what you are. If not, drop it. The only thing guaranteed in life is change. So, what? You have to change some pronouns when addressing some folks. This is not a big deal. This is common courtesy. This is good manners. This is expected when interacting in a civil society. It’s as simple as your cousin Charlie deciding to go by Charles but you insist on calling them Charlie even after they request otherwise. It doesn't matter if you’ve known them your whole life as Charlie. Doesn't matter people are called Charlie every day without issue. Doesn't matter how silly you think it is. It’s not woke to understand that disrespecting people is not ok or acceptable no matter what form that takes. I'm honestly far from woke and even I see the world’s moving on here. Best you get moving with it because the kids coming up have zero tolerance for your kind of bs and are nowhere as forgiving as us old people. Your transparent little “religious freedom” schemes won't last and are doing irreparable damage to any honest religious freedom cases in the future.

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--Cr1imsoN-- t1_it9kbov wrote

This just in: changing language is now apparently “liberal bullshit”. Someone should let the lexicographers know.

Edit: I guess no one got the joke.

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