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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixv6mv7 wrote

There is no difference between the dog in your living room and the animals you are shooting. Get a non-violent hobby and leave the animals alone!

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Ct-5736-Bladez t1_ixvjdjg wrote

Deer have almost zero natural predators in this state. Hunting is a crucial part of conservation efforts and population control.

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Borg_10501 t1_ixwvypa wrote

Deer have fewer natural predators because humans have been culling them (particularly wolves) due to conflicts of interest from ranchers, developers, etc. I don't think the deer population needed to be "managed" before Europeans set foot on American soil.

> Hunting is a crucial part of conservation efforts and population control.

Hunting was responsible for the extinction of the passenger pigeon and the almost extinction of the American bison. Several species of wolves no longer exist due to hunters. The great 'nittany lion' that used to roam PA no longer exist because they've been killed off. The conservation angle was forced upon hunters because some people with common sense realized that killing everything off was going to have negative consequences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_animals_extinct_in_the_Holocene#Recent

As someone who grew up in rural PA, no hunter I've ever talked to gave a rat's ass about conservation. All they cared about was bagging the biggest buck. If the state govt didn't regulate it, we'd have no deer left.

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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixxfql1 wrote

Ah look at that - no one able to refute facts. They don’t care about facts. They just have feelings (to kill and be violent)

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Verkato t1_iy0tldj wrote

Wolves definitely would help with the population but them being one of the causes for Deer overpopulation is a myth. Wolves do not drastically reduce numbers of deer but they do create a "culture of fear" that causes them to not just brazenly walk around in human developments.

The fact is deer just do particularly well in our suburban and rural environments and are in no fear of extinction due to hunting. Your wiki link is relevant to nothing considering those were mostly endangered species from the first half of the last century or earlier.

It does sound like you agree that rules should be in place for hunting deer but in no way are humans putting them in danger of extinction. I don't really give a shit about hunting btw but I'm sure it has gotten many deer out of the environment that would otherwise be inside the grill of someone's car right now.

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rpk462 t1_ixvkuen wrote

Calm down sunshine. Perhaps don't read a reddit post about hunting? If your feelings can't handle the internet, YOU should be the one to find another hobby. Sincerely, the guy with a rifle in the woods on this beautiful day.

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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixxer23 wrote

I chose to speak my voice in favor of compassion and non-violence for animals. What is your point? Supporting violence?

How would you feel if someone paraded in your neighborhood with a gun over your defenseless children like you do to deer? We do not need hunters for population control - it is a sick and dangerous outdated sport.

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rpk462 t1_ixyu476 wrote

Dont like hunting? Fine. You have the right to your opinion. Do not preach to others what you feel they should do. You can not assign a human emotion to an animal that is not human. What about hunting is violent? I assure you that harvesting wild game is far more humane and ethical than farming practices. My children are capable and willing to defend themselves. Every human has an inalienable right to protect himself/herself using deadly force if nessissary. What about hunting is dangerous? I've been hunting for over 30 years, never have I been in danger.

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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixzamnk wrote

Dear lord this comment is brain damage. “What about shooting someone dead and skinning their corpse is violent?”

Animals do have the same emotions as us. Science has proven this. Imagine your comment but if people shot and killed puppies or stray cats. Why do you choose to love them and kill another species?

And you don’t have to eat animals to survive. A whole food plant based diet is adequate for survival. nutritionfacts.org/daily-dozen.

I am giving a voice for the voiceless. Also since I doubt you ONLY EAT your game meat and never eat animal products when you go out…watchdominion.com.

And https://youtu.be/o0VrZPBskpg

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rpk462 t1_iy1n1ay wrote

There is absolutely no facts, research or independent thinking in your reply. Find a different hobby. The internet does not suit you.

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CodeMonkey789 t1_iy1o5g4 wrote

I have many hobbies. Activism is my passion. I stand up for animals. I gave video and scientific evidence supporting a whole food plant based diet as adequate for human survival.

What are you doing? Yelling at a vegan online and encouraging violence? Pot calling the kettle black, eh?

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DavidLieberMintz t1_ixvnrz6 wrote

Spend 5 minutes of Google before writing such a thoughtless comment. Hunting is part of population control in PA.

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Fit_Buyer6760 t1_ixx2kzs wrote

Found the deer

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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixxeb2y wrote

Well, we should have compassion for the deer. They deserve to live just like you and I. We are all sentient beings worthy of compassion. Hell, hunters like those in this thread like have wiped out hundreds of animal populations and species thanks to hunters’ gross violent attitudes and desire to kill without ever thinking twice about the victim or conservation.

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googleearth92 t1_iy1m53b wrote

You're a weirdo. Seek help.

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CodeMonkey789 t1_iy1odro wrote

I understand i’m in the minority for not wanting to kill. Sad world we live in under carnism. Sometimes, it’s good to be “weird”.

And what help should I seek? My therapists, friends, family, and community support my ideals.

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Nacho_Sunbeam t1_ixzbhi9 wrote

Controlled hunting actually saves so many animals. Better to have ten die and provide food for humans than the entire herd starve for naught.

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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixzch0c wrote

There are many non violent ways of population control that do not involving going into the woods with guns. Please read up on them before typing :)

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Nacho_Sunbeam t1_ixzcmkl wrote

Do they feed families, too? Why don't you elaborate, expert?

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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixzdoiv wrote

You don’t need animal products to survive. A whole food plant based diet provides all the nutrients needed for healthful survival. It also happens to be the cheapest diet per nutritional dollar, so feeding a family on lentils, veggies, and grains is pretty easy.

nutritionfacts.org/daily-dozen

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Nacho_Sunbeam t1_ixze1ap wrote

That didn't answer the question as to how else you can help the herd and help the population of the deer.

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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixzedjk wrote

You didn’t ask that. The answer is no, unless you use the money on guns/ammo/gear and buy cheap lentils/rice.

They also don’t involve taking the life of a defenseless creature. I linked the list in another comment:

https://portal.ct.gov/CAES/Plant-Science-Day/2002/Non-lethal-Methods-of-Controlling-Deer-Population-Growth

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Nacho_Sunbeam t1_ixzf8we wrote

Oh okay I think I might be having two different conversations with you lol. I thought it was you who said that there was ways to help control the deer population that didn't involve going into the woods with a gun? That was what I was asking about but you're right it's not on this little thread feel free to go ahead and answer it though that's cool. And just to be super clear I don't actually hunt I don't actually really like hunting however I do like animals and I live in a wilderness area and it just is necessary so that we don't have starving deer getting hit by a car all the time and the entire herd getting wiped out.

Trophy hunters can go fuck themselves for sure those guys are psychotic serial killers basically who have just found a " " socially acceptable way to do it but hunting for food hunting to help conserve the deer population nah that's fine.

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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixzfzga wrote

I gave a link.

Humans are a very invasive and violent species when it comes to wildlife. It is sad I agree. What is the difference morally between shooting a deer and hitting one with your car? Both take a life. Both can be avoided

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Nacho_Sunbeam t1_ixzgmke wrote

Okay I see the link now I will check it out. Well so okay do you not live where there are deer maybe? Because hitting one with your car cannot always be avoided unless you just never ever ever drive a car? Like they come into the city because you know people don't want to hunt them so there's too many of them and there's not enough food in the country so now they come into the city and they go on to the road and traffic yeah it traffic hits them. So again do you maybe not live where there are wildlife?

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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixzho94 wrote

Personal cars are extremely dangerous for not only humans, but animals too. In hindsight, mass producing the automobile was one of mankind’s worst decisions. We could have had a mass transit system + underground transportation without ever creating the time sink that is traffic. Kinda a separate point but it’s worth mentioning because well built transit would probably save some animals too.

And I’m sorry I’m having trouble understanding the rest of your point.

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Nacho_Sunbeam t1_ixzhx17 wrote

I guess oh okay so I see you're thinking like crazy ideal Utopian society where we all just give up our cars and make these underground mass transit systems. The disconnect here is I'm talking about reality where we live now and how we could change things now with the reality we actually already live in. But we clearly are in two different realities so I'll go ahead and leave you to yours I appreciate all your thought-provoking conversation enjoy your reality today.

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Nacho_Sunbeam t1_ixzh3sr wrote

So while we're here where's your line exactly? Do you use pesticides or like consider the insects that die in order for your plants to be harvested? Do those bugs lives not matter? And I mean the plants are living so that's a life so how do you justify taking that life but not a deer life? How exactly did you come to the conclusion of which lives are okay for you to take versus your opinions on which lives other people are allowed to take? Have you ever taken antibiotics before? Have you ever had a tapeworm and treated it? Head lice maybe? I actually don't believe that every single life all life is sacred so maybe that's our our core issue here.

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Borg_10501 t1_ixvct8w wrote

I tried telling someone that once. Their excuse was, "Well, dogs are pets and deer aren't." As if that makes any difference from a biological perspective. The reality is, there's a lot of people out there that find great joy in killing things even though none of them will directly admit it.

And as we know from studies, there's a high correlation between violence against animals and violence against people.

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CodeMonkey789 t1_ixvex64 wrote

Exactly. And some of it is simply a violent tradition - violence can be taught to children and people grow up to put on mental blinders to protect themselves from the cognitive dissonance. (Hence the downvotes for asking not to kill. People’s defense system is triggered)

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