SamuelDoctor t1_iym6zd7 wrote on December 2, 2022 at 12:56 PM

Reply to comment by underwear11 in Philadelphia City Council approves permanent 10 p.m. curfew by mjsisko

I'm curious to see whether and to what extent such a measure might impact violent crime. If this succeeds, Tucker Carlson will talk about it until he is in the dirt.

Hib3rnian t1_iymd59q wrote on December 2, 2022 at 1:52 PM

It won't. But it looks good on paper and makes city council appear as if they're "doing something".

KingGranticus t1_iyn854u wrote on December 2, 2022 at 5:29 PM

What it'll actually do is make it look like crime is up since they'll be detaining more people for this and then slapping charges on top of that when without a permanent curfew these kids never would have been stopped in the first place

SamuelDoctor t1_iynb1j1 wrote on December 2, 2022 at 5:48 PM

If violent crime goes down, that is the only stat which will matter.

KingGranticus t1_iynbbmw wrote on December 2, 2022 at 5:50 PM

No I'm saying it won't even do that. It'll inflate those numbers too. And that's what ghouls like Tucker Carlson want because that will fuel calls to bloat our police budget even more, so they arrest more people, so crime stats are up, so they get more funding, and you get the idea.

SamuelDoctor t1_iyngq04 wrote on December 2, 2022 at 6:25 PM

That's a distinct possibility, but you have to wonder, if the outcome is so obvious, why would the city council approve such a measure? Personally I think that there's still a lot to be learned about what kind of policing is actually effective these days. I understand that the research doesn't necessarily insist that any one approach has been proven best. Broken windows, community policing, and everything in-between have their advocates among serious criminologists.

It may well be the case that for this specific moment in the history of urban America, these kinds of curfews give police an opportunity to keep order. Obviously that may result in civil friction, especially where regular people get swept up in the drag net, but I've heard serious people start to wonder what ought to be done if these kinds of tactics won't work.