Submitted by turbodsm t3_zxsw5c in Pennsylvania
Dredly t1_j240bbo wrote
Reply to comment by turbodsm in Who would like this law changed? Regarding trails on preserved farmland by turbodsm
Unless its bordered by razor wire, people are going to walk all over the place
turbodsm OP t1_j240s5z wrote
I don't think you've ever been on a trail
Dredly t1_j240w0t wrote
I don't think you've ever been in public?
turbodsm OP t1_j242isv wrote
Where are you referring to? You must have firsthand experience.
I've been on rail trails, forest trails, canal towpaths and I've never witnessed anything like this.
Dredly t1_j2482dh wrote
You've never witnessed people and their pets wandering off trails??? I need to go hiking whete you do!!!
turbodsm OP t1_j2488n1 wrote
Where does this happen? In a park? Dont step on the grass people.
Dredly t1_j249p3g wrote
Where do people not stay on the trails? Literally everywhere?
It's so prevalent that it's one of the biggest rules on the website! You even responded to another person making excuses for people wandering of trail because there were not enough bathrooms
turbodsm OP t1_j24cd5y wrote
You still can't name anything specific.
whoa, someone shit off the trail on a rail trail which is 62 miles long? They even offer guidelines on how to shit on the trail responsibly. Yes, totally applicable to a pedestrian trail through my neighborhood in suburbia.
newworldman1070 t1_j24d5o7 wrote
You’re referencing a trail that is located in a very rural area, with the majority of it being no man-developed state forest land. Hence the leave no trace guidelines for using the bathroom in the woods.
Point being is that even this trail has issues, and only a very small fraction of it runs through private property.
Just imagine some dude taking a dump in the backyard of your suburban McMansion.
turbodsm OP t1_j24e6j9 wrote
> Just imagine some dude taking a dump in the backyard of your suburban McMansion.
Never ever in the history of the world has a blacktop trail existed so closely in harmony with McMansions. It's never been done.
oh wait >Lower Makefield Township is home to an extensive network of existing trails that owe their existence to township ordinance regulations established in 1977 that require the installation of bikeways as part of new development within the township.
How much do homes in Lower Makefield Township, PA cost?
Median Sold Price
$585,500
newworldman1070 t1_j24jwqz wrote
Seems like a lot of money to pay for 1/4 acre in a subdivision where someone can tell you what color you need to paint your door and how many cars you can have in your driveway.
turbodsm OP t1_j24lt34 wrote
Seems like a lot of assumptions from someone who is probably also scared of cities.
Stay in the woods old man. It's a scary world.
newworldman1070 t1_j24n21b wrote
Not afraid I’d the cities at all. I do know that I don’t like them apart from a visit every once in a while.
I will stay in woods, on my own land. Instead of demanding that everyone else allows me to recreate on theirs.
Dredly t1_j25nubx wrote
wait... so you want to put in a blacktop walking trail on private property?
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and, I hate to point out the obvious - but those are required as part of NEW DEVELOPMENT, meaning they are zoned in... this is the equivalent of "must install sidewalks"... how in the hell is this relevant to people using rural trails, walking all over the place and shitting wherever they want
turbodsm OP t1_j25uf3t wrote
Do you not understand this or do you spin everything as negatively as possible?
I'd like the county and municipals to be able to work with owners of preserved farm land to install asphalt trails on the edges of the property lines parallel with existing roads. I said work with. Currently there is 0% chance of this happening because of state law. That's outdated and needs to change. We need trails. E-bikes are doubling every year in usage. People want to get out their house and take walks. We need fewer car trips. If your shitty county isn't doing these things, then butt out of the conversation.
When asked which trails have the problem with users "walking all over the place" you still haven't named a single one. If users of a trail are doing such a thing, it's a problem with trail design.
Starting to realize you're just a troll.
Dredly t1_j261z7m wrote
You want farmers to give rights to the public to walk all over their property on permanent trails which they would surrender their property to enable.
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and I've walked on a ton of trails in NE PA, on game lands, state forests, in the Lehigh Valley, Worlds End, stretches of the Appalachian Trail and a bunch of others... and no matter what, there is very clear signs that people have abused the privilege of being there, they have littered, they have left graffiti everywhere possible, and they have walked off the trails wherever they felt like it.
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I would LOVE to know what trails or paths you are walking on where people magically show respect for the rules... cause I have YET to see anything like that anywhere. Hell I haven't even seen a spot where people stay on the sidewalk and don't let their dogs shit in everyones yards
turbodsm OP t1_j26ehim wrote
Yes, you act like no farm has ever allowed an easement on their property.
And you saw trash? Oh no. Did you look on the roads as you drove there? Or were the roads magically clean somehow? I recently hiked at ricketts glen and it was very clean. Tyler state park, very clean. Newtown rail trail all the way to Roosevelt Blvd. Very clean.
You must be the old guy yelling at people to get off your lawn.
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