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[deleted] t1_je9qcd3 wrote

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_CaesarAugustus_ t1_je9tj2k wrote

Nah, everyone should homeschool their kids. Have you learned nothing? Drag shows, porn in libraries, and automatic weapons are around every corner.

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Accurate-Historian-7 t1_je9r53j wrote

That doesn’t matter. California has much stricter gun laws and there have been plenty of shootings there. One thing we have learned is that these shootings happen all over the country. Stricter gun laws via state doesn’t change much at all

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Proof-Variation7005 t1_je9xmq9 wrote

>That doesn’t matter. California has much stricter gun laws and there have been plenty of shootings there. One thing we have learned is that these shootings happen all over the country. Stricter gun laws via state doesn’t change much at all

Ultimately, the solution has to be federal and every super lax state can and will undermine the stricter laws. States surrounded by likeminded states, like us, do benefit from that collective mindset making it that much tougher. RI's gun laws benefit from NY/NJ/CT/MA being strong too.

Outside of Alaska and Hawaii, every state's laws are always gun law efficacy is going to be limited by its neighbors. That being said, i strongly disagree with the implication that state level laws are somehow not effective or useless. That's disingenuous logic and usually only invoked as an excuse for inaction.

And FWIW, California ranks 44th in gun deaths per capita. There's still room for improvement but the states with notoriously lax gun laws in the country see a LOT more violence. Their neighbor Arizona has an F rating from most gun control advocacy groups and their firearm death rate is over twice as high as California.

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Swamp_yankee_ninja t1_jeaa0kj wrote

Effective gun laws? Did you know the woman in Tennessee had no prior criminal record and passed her background check with flying colors? The truth is firearm laws many of which are unconstitutional do very little in stopping crime. Because people with criminal intent unfortunately don’t follow any laws what so ever. The best thing about our gun laws is a law abiding citizen can still own a firearm and protect themselves against criminal intent, for the time being anyway.

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Imjusthereforgossip3 OP t1_je9wx7k wrote

It helps to a point but it still doesn’t stop a teen from taking the weapon their parents obtained legally. Or from someone driving across state lines.

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Proof-Variation7005 t1_jea5rwl wrote

>It helps to a point but it still doesn’t stop a teen from taking the weapon their parents obtained legally. Or from someone driving across state lines.

I think pretty much any steps done in the name of security can be described that way. Locking your front door can help to a point but won't guarantee you won't get robbed. All that TSA bullshit at airports helps make it harder to hijack or blow up a plane but it's not impossible. Having a complex unique password can help you not get hacked but it still can happen, etc, etc.

The only blanket stuff that's guaranteed to be effective are pipe-dream ideas that are just impossible in modern american society. Even the most fervent gun-haters who wish we could melt em all down and outlaw them aren't stupid enough to think there's any chance of that happening.

I think the only people who really believe in the plausibility of that kind of scenario are the ones who use their paranoia as justification to oppose every common sense restriction that the majority of the country supports like federalizing standards and making it so states with shitty gun laws aren't the source of weapons in states with tougher gun laws.

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smokejaguar t1_jeb3pdh wrote

You can't legally purchase a firearm in a state you don't reside in without that firearm being shipped to an FFL located in your state of residence.

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Imjusthereforgossip3 OP t1_jef5z6a wrote

Yes but what’s to say an out of state person couldn’t cross state lines. That’s what I meant.

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smokejaguar t1_jefu13b wrote

Then they'd be in violation of the state they are entering, provided their firearm isn't legal in that state, or if they were lacking a permit to carry, if that was their intent.

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