Submitted by [deleted] t3_zpccu5 in RhodeIsland
Null_Error7 t1_j0u80ky wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Finally we are the number one in something! by [deleted]
I was cruising in the fast lane at 75 and he was swerving through traffic attempting to pass on the right but kept getting blocked by slower traffic.
[deleted] OP t1_j0u97vi wrote
so, you both were in the wrong.
speed limits aren't a suggestion btw :P thanks for adding to the statistics.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j0uslxq wrote
That dude wasn't right for flipping out but if you're in the left lane and there's someone behind you, you should be moving over. That's not "for nothing", that's "you were being kind of an asshole and ignoring basic highway etiquette"
Null_Error7 t1_j0v6r21 wrote
When the right lane is jammed up doing 65 im not gonna hit my brakes and work to squeeze in when im already doing 10 over. If it was empty that would be a different story
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j0vfks8 wrote
Oh so this is on the 2 lane stretch? I take back what I said. The other driver was kind and merciful for not taking vengeance on you.
If you can't move up enough where it's easy to get over and out of the way when someone comes up behind you, you shouldn't be entering the left lane at all.
Null_Error7 t1_j0vgy7f wrote
How are you not understanding this? I’m doing 10 over whizzing past any cars in the slow lane. I’m not going to slam my brakes to merge in with them to get out of this guys way.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j0vk8s8 wrote
And if someone is in the left lane looking to do 11 or more mph above the speed limit, it is your responsibility to move over and just let them.
If you 're not able to handle that responsibility, that's fine. Just stay out of the left lane. You're not built for it. Unless you're a cop, you're not the arbiter of how fast everyone else can go. You should be treating any vehicle behind you in the left lane like an ambulance. Move over and get out of the way.
LateToSapphos t1_j0u9509 wrote
I have literally been flipped off and passed on my right because I was doing 80-85 in the fast line (20 over the speed limit on that road) There is truly no winning.
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0uab58 wrote
Was the highway empty in front of you, because the law says to keep up with the flow!
LateToSapphos t1_j0ucapg wrote
Even if that is a law the highway was not empty I was going with the flow of traffic, hence why I was in the passing lane because I was passing most traffic rushing to get home.
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0ucssd wrote
I myself if the highway on the left lane was empty I would be going 80-85mph in the 55mph zone, and if both lanes were empty I would take the right lane. But some people like your case will speed up to cut me off and keep swerving in traffic, Fast & Furious wannabe!
LateToSapphos t1_j0ud7lm wrote
Agreed on an empty highway I would just stay in the right lane for convenience. I’ll never understand people who weave through traffic and drive like hell it’s been proven that it doesn’t even save you that much time so it’s pretty pointlessly dangerous.
I remember driving to somewhere and my friend was also going there so we left with two cars. She drives like that and she made it to the destination about 30 seconds before I did and I was riding like normal traffic in the middle lane.
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0ue29n wrote
She must have a fast car to do that kind of drive, and not just speed you need a good handling car with good brakes. But you would see someone in a Civic doing this.
LateToSapphos t1_j0ueec6 wrote
Haha thankfully it is a nicer/newer car definitely not doing all that in a civic be we’ve all witnessed it happening xD
[deleted] OP t1_j0uag2o wrote
can you cite that law? I don't think this is correct.
BostonRevolutionary t1_j0v9d8n wrote
To clarify the law states that "Any vehicle travelling at less than the normal speed of traffic, shall be driven in the right hand lane." The law doesn't indicate speed because statistics have shown that consistent traffic flow, even traffic at higher speeds is safer than causing drivers to weave in and out of traffic to maintain a constant speed.
I can't find the actual law because the RI website is a shitshow, but her is a news article in regards to the subject where a man was ticketed for driving too slowly in the left lane.
[deleted] OP t1_j0vb9ot wrote
Ya I remember that. I don't trust stories like this anymore because it smells like someone trying to make a headline instead of proving a point.
There are laws that say, "assume this speed in the type of area unless otherwise posted". If you read the rest of this stupid thread, I found the Rhode Island general laws on road rules.
It cites tickets for anything 1 or more miles per hour over the posted limit there will be a fine. "Prima Facie" limits are speed limits assumed until posted.
If driving over the LIMIT is legal, then why would we even post it (limit is part of the term as in DO NOT EXCEED)? What's the point of a speed limit in the first place? I feel like this argument/question nullifies everything in this entire thread.
BostonRevolutionary t1_j0vdeaf wrote
Found it:
"Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. Violations of this section are subject to fines enumerated in § 31-41.1-4."
Driving over the legal limit is permissible not completely legal, it is because a vehicle driving 10 MPH slower than the prevailing speed are six times as likely to be involved in an accident. The law is to encourage slower drivers to move their vehicles over to accommodate faster traffic. While I understand that this may feel frustrating to you, the law is the law. If you are driving in the left most lane and a vehicle moving faster than you catches up, you by law must move your vehicle over and allow them to pass. Forcing them to pass on the right generates an even more unsafe conditions as well as the potential for increased traffic.
[deleted] OP t1_j0vg9bq wrote
that still doesn't justify traveling way over speed limits. the same argument can be made for anyone traveling well over the limit. And if you look at it that way, those traveling over the limit are usually in a margin far greater than those travel at or below the limit. They are the minority danger.
In theory, if you are passing someone, you are the one the odd ball out.
driving fast just wastes gas, wares out your car, and you save mere seconds in time all while endangering people. what's so bad about putting on the cruise control at the limit and just sitting on that? Why must people drive so fucking fast?!?!?!
BostonRevolutionary t1_j0vh7zz wrote
Speculation and theory are all fine but they are already nullified by the law. If you really want to understand why these and other laws create exceptions like this, I would start doing research on the subject. And if you wish to change the slow poke laws to coincide with your theories than I would suggest gathering data for review. But as it stands these are the laws they have in place and to save yourself a ticket or worse an accident, I would recommend keeping to the slow lanes.
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0uapqq wrote
I will look it up for you! But have you ever traveled to Boston before? Because there are many signs saying that!
[deleted] OP t1_j0uayqg wrote
I have never seen a single sign saying anything along the lines of "driving above speed limit only allowable if everyone else is doing it"
there are signs in NH that say "minimum and maximum speed" but that is entirely different.
please cite the exact law from the handbook please.
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0ubhqj wrote
So if you're on the left lane on an empty highway, you would be going 55mph?
Handbook? The last book I held was the Bible. But if you kindly Google the term you will find more info about it, I know about the maximum and minimum limits they use these in a two lines Highways only.
[deleted] OP t1_j0ubq9l wrote
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find me the law or your argument is invalid.
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0uc9m1 wrote
Lol answer my question first so I know what type of a driver you are.
And the next time I go to Boston I will make sure to take a picture of the sign for you!
[deleted] OP t1_j0ucgp6 wrote
on an empty highway I would be in the right-hand lane.
now cite the law you think exists.
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0udmm3 wrote
Okay right, the link you sent says that 5mph over the limit is illegal? Lol what? Do you know any police officers that you can ask? I have been driving for 15 years, and never had a ticket for speeding or driving related things, I would recommend that you check out your local police station and explain to them what you are doing they might put you in jail, lol I'm joking.
[deleted] OP t1_j0uhiwr wrote
the law is the law. The police are the enforcers of the law, and they use their judgement as they see fit (hence "warnings" instead of tickets). There is another article saying that "it may be rare that an officer writes a ticket" for speeding under 5mph but that it's up to the officer to determine that (and lists numerous reasons why that would be, like radar not being that accurate).
because you're driving me crazy here... I am looking up the ruling.
In the Rhode island drivers manual page 56, "1-10 miles per hour (mph) in excess of posted speed limit" is an $85 fine.
according to Rhode island general laws the same rule applies.
here is the law we are looking for. it reads " the commission may determine and declare a reasonable and safe prima facie speed limit for that place which shall be effective at all times" Other related rules also say that when you pass, you're supposed to honk your horn and give ample space to the driver being passed.
more rules to follow. I believe what you are referring to is the "prima facie" laws which only dictate speeds that are not engineered out. The DOT can just make one up they find that works, but its then posted on a sign after the last entrance to that road. These laws were also written in 1950s for the most part.
there is nothing in here about driving over the speed limit, ever.
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0ujiue wrote
Well if you want to follow rules that even cops don't care about, you go ahead just don't block the highway by going the same speed as the guy beside you, because I see this every single day on the 147 Eddie Dowling hwy, if you or anyone else want to drive 55mph please by all means go ahead just clear the left lane, I have seen police and school buses going over the limits many times, going slower than the rest is more dangerous than speeding with the rest of the people, yet I might be wrong or you might be wrong, but do what is safe for you and other drivers on the roads, afterall we need to use the term IPDE (Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute) when driving.
[deleted] OP t1_j0ujsm9 wrote
The posted speed limit on Eddie Dowling highway is 40mph.
edit: its actually 35 in some spots according to google maps street view.
speed limits are not a suggestion... they are an agreed upon speed that everyone can travel safely. how is a random driver supposed to know that you like driving 75 in a 55. they cannot. so, the sign says travel "x" speed. do that. everyone can agree to that.
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0ukvat wrote
35mph? On the 147? I know there's construction on it but 35mph? I see people in Altimas driving 50mph on Charles Street! 35 on Eddie I have never seen a single person driving 35 or something less than 55 on Eddie Dowling hwy, I don't know man these laws are dated when people used to ride horses with wagons.
[deleted] OP t1_j0um147 wrote
it's 146A actually... and yes. it's 35mph on the split toward Woonsocket/Walmart/Lowes. Street-View shows a 45MPH marker further down after the light. It doesn't turn to 55mph (going left at the split) until well after the corner of the split, to which it stays 55 until you hit the MA/RI border.
You can argue this until you're blue in the font here, but the truth is you are the reason this article happened. Please. Just slow down and follow the real existing road rules. You are far less of a danger following the speed limit than you are driving to pass everyone. End of story.
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0umw5u wrote
Again you do you, and just keep the left lane clear, you want me to go 45 on the 147 so someone total my car and it would be completely my fault, could you please tell me when you travel on the 147 so I avoid it?
[deleted] OP t1_j0uo18j wrote
where are you getting this rt-147 number from?
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0up0z8 wrote
Me car has a built-in GPS I could also see construction zones, school zones, and traffic cameras, but to hell with technology you said 35mph on the Sayles split and 45mph on the 147, let the semi total my car I love insurance claims!
Null_Error7 t1_j0vbbnk wrote
Guaranteed NY/NJ plate
Nighthawk9997 t1_j0ua65p wrote
😂
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