Submitted by CouldDoWithaCoffee t3_10seu3p in UpliftingNews
Jango214 t1_j7285ty wrote
Serious question, how is MDMA good for you?
Doesn't it give you a downer, or an anxiety or depressive episode later on after use?
And then how can you relax while taking it? Isn't it a party drug where you take it and dance for hours on end? You become active and everything?
And finally, don't you feel more inclined to hug or be with someone, this can be dangerous if you are at a party, no?
fakeplasticcrow t1_j72gcwy wrote
Have you ever used it? I did twice now. Clinical grade. Once was with a large group of people. It was a magical day.
But the most impactful time I did it was in 2020. I laid down at my favorite park, and had a 5 hour meditation with my eyes closed. It was life changing. I had a conversation with my true self and became the person I had wanted to be. My life around me didn't change as I had expected, but my attitude towards it shifted for many months after that experience.
I had no come down or after affects from clinical mdma. At 5 hours in I did get up and dance a bit, but overall I was having the most intense inner experience of my life. Beautiful. Healing. Something I continue to look back on with fondness 3 years later.
In the right setting, clinical grade mdma is something I think everyone with trauma (nearly every human being) should have an opportunity to take in the right setting with the right support. I truly feel that it would help heal the world.
nanoox t1_j739pi6 wrote
What do you mean by "clinical grade"? You mean purchased as a pharmaceutical from a pharmacy?
fakeplasticcrow t1_j73d182 wrote
Excess from a clinical trial. So actual pharmaceutical grade.
Jango214 t1_j7cnp05 wrote
I haven't, but my friend has.
They did it at a rave though, and did the street stuff. According to them it was their best experience in life, but then they did it twice in a month, and after that although they have been functioning decently, it has been mostly a spiral of sadness and dissociation from others.
jishhd t1_j72gt9q wrote
If you're curious on how it can be therapeutic, I recommend checking out the work done by MAPS https://maps.org/our-research/
Quick summary. MDMA originally got popular for use by psychiatrists in the earlier 1900s because of its therapeutic potential. In the therapeutic doses you administer in clinical settings like this Aussie law probably allows, it makes your brain more "plastic" and able to retrain the mind's associations to help recover from traumas like PTSD. Specifically, treatments like these are only shown to be truly helpful when "trip-sitted" by a professional, and sometimes show remarkable, and lasting results after only a few sessions. MDMA does not inherently make you start dancing, but it can allow you to unearth repressed emotions and be able to process them.
Here is the conclusion from the abstract of a Nature paper from 2021:
>MDMA did not induce adverse events of abuse potential, suicidality or QT prolongation. These data indicate that, compared with manualized therapy with inactive placebo, MDMA-assisted therapy is highly efficacious in individuals with severe PTSD, and treatment is safe and well-tolerated, even in those with comorbidities. We conclude that MDMA-assisted therapy represents a potential breakthrough treatment that merits expedited clinical evaluation.
Soylent_Milk2021 t1_j729wku wrote
What confuses me about the validity of using MDMA is the MA part is methamphetamine. I guess tweaking under a psychiatrists guidance makes it therapeutic?
TheBrutalBystander t1_j72btib wrote
Has my brother ever heard of adderal?
Soylent_Milk2021 t1_j72z1kx wrote
Yep. That’s called tweaking under a psychiatrists care. It has therapeutic effects. I fully acknowledge all that. And I’m glad that psychedelics gave finally found their place in therapeutics. Been a long time coming.
Dapper_Face7389 t1_j72d5oa wrote
That’s not how drugs work, for example the active drug in shrooms is 4-ho-dmt yet eating shrooms and smoking dmt are very very different, nobody would compare taking a dose of shrooms under the guidance of a therapist as smoking dmt. The MA part pretty much just means that mdma can be a stimulant, and most stimulants are amphetamines anyway. Mdma is much more like adderal than meth in stimulant intensity, and completely different than adderal in effects due to the MA part
Adolist t1_j72mnaq wrote
Just wait until they figure out chiralism, how chemicals can look exactly the same but be completely different. One killing you, the other giving you health benefits.
pingo5 t1_j73kelg wrote
I like to make the comparison between isopropyl alcohol and ethyl alcohol.
One will get you drunk, and the other will get you in a hospital getting your stomach pumped.
Adolist t1_j72lna3 wrote
Cocaine is still used in the medical industry, as are derivatives/analogs of methamphetamine such as Dexmethylphenidate or Lisdexamfetamine. Just because something is in the name of of it chemically speaking doesn't mean it has the same properties, or similar effects, or is in anyway included as an 'add-on'.
You are confusing 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (C₁₁H₁₅NO₂) with Methamphetamine (C10H15N). Chemically speaking they are comparative but completely different. An orange and an apple are both fruits but they are most definitely NOT the same thing when it comes to dietary impact, fiber, Vitamin C levels, etc.
Your also taking a negative ideology on drug use based on previous experience or teachings and applying it to something you were told was bad and should stay away from. I was told I was perfectly fine just the way I was, turns out that was wrong and parents/teachers didnt want to apply a label to student or child out of fear. As an adult 10 years later I am now prescribed medication similar to MDMA to help my condition, within 4 years Ive tripled my base by while graduating college creating and entirely new life for myself, finding love, getting married, all of this because I'm no longer a shut in with alot of potential but the lack of focus to apply it.
Remove stigmatism, apply science, reduce harm, help others.
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