obinice_khenbli t1_j84fq3s wrote on February 11, 2023 at 3:31 PM

Reply to comment by mattz300 in Deforestation in Brazil falls by 60% in first month under Lula by Competitive-Wall2473

>He already went to jail for being corrupt. lol

So, he served his time for his crime and rendered society. What's the problem?

Do you think that people who have been to prison should remain there forever? Does your nation not have a judicial system that understands rehabilitory incarceration is the most beneficial to society, limiting reoffending and lowering many other crime rates, improving GDP through a larger workforce and a smaller judicial footprint, and has a positive effect on the well-being and happiness of citizenry, as well as aiding in reduction of class divides?

If your point is that a person that was convicted of corruption may reoffend, I understand your concern. But, he was released, if he reoffends then the blame is on the system that didn't positively work to reform him, the system that also incorrectly judged that he was no longer at notable risk of reoffending.

It's easy to blame the criminal, and they aren't exactly innocent, but it's not so easy to realise that a lot of criminal activity, especially that of ex-convicts, is caused by a deeply flawed criminal justice system. Usually one that seeks to heavily punish and degrade prisoners, rather than reform and reintegrate.

If we can't accept a person back into society after they have served their time in prison and been released, why not just execute all prisoners instead of incarcerating them in the first place? If you've already decided they will never be allowed to re-enter society, why torture them with hope, and waste national time and money? Why not just execute criminals on the spot, and save time?

This is a dangerous way to look at things. We must not dehumanise our fellow citizens, even those who have committed crimes.

misteryous302 t1_j85s3o9 wrote on February 11, 2023 at 9:07 PM

>Does your nation

Not sure if this guy is Brazilian...he said he spent a few weeks and talked to some people in some(3) cities. As another guy said, it's like going to Conservatives states and declaring "america has spoken: They don't want Biden in power"

mattz300 t1_j84hy4m wrote on February 11, 2023 at 3:48 PM

I agree w your sentiment on regular citizens, rehab and 2nd chances. However this is leadership of a country, a hard position to prove wrongdoing and one where, like most Corp jobs, one would not be afforded a second chance.

octopoots t1_j84zttc wrote on February 11, 2023 at 5:51 PM

That would be a relevant point if the trial that he underwent was actually impartial, and the charges brought against him were actually legitimate. For the former--it wasn't, and the judge who ruled against him was later given a cabinet position by Bolsonaro. As a result, the latter hasn't been proven to be true.