reidlos1624 t1_j8qf0pf wrote on February 16, 2023 at 5:02 AM

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Banning ICE use in city centers makes sense but the infrastructure can't support EVs outside of those ranges, comfortably, yet. Mass adoption to the point that the majority of vehicles sold (80-90%) would be enough that other areas of climate change would easily become a priority.

Even now, what is, 100 companies(?) produce 70% of the world's emissions? There's so much more that's needed than simply blanket bans on cars. If we can get emissions down from other areas we'd see significant improvements such that the small number of ICE (Hybrid) vehicles sold for rural transportation or as rentals for road trips wouldn't be a concern.

Winjin t1_j8st56a wrote on February 16, 2023 at 6:28 PM

Also, far North. In Siberia the EVs are basically useless. No one has heated garages, and temperature can hit -30 for weeks, and go down to like -50s Celsius. Hybrids could be possible, but it's hard to outdo gas in this setup. Especially since it's also providing lots of heat

So, while close to the equator you can easily switch to EV for city use at least, in the north it's not always going to work. And I think it's also not that great when you live in a flat without easy access to a charger.

SilverNicktail t1_j8tfz4r wrote on February 16, 2023 at 8:49 PM

> Even now, what is, 100 companies(?) produce 70% of the world's emissions?

This stat gets quoted a lot but it misrepresents the issue somewhat. The largest emission producing companies are - surprise surprise - fossil fuel producers, and IIRC the methodology included the transportation and consumption of that fuel. If we want to reduce their emissions, we have to have replacements for their demand.

Yes, legislate the shit out of them, but 20-25% of all worldwide emissions are from the transportation sector (including within those businesses). We need to replace that, as we are also doing in electricity generation.

Honestly I wish there was more focus on agriculture. It's by many metrics the most destructive sector - in terms of emissions, land usage, water usage, biodiversity loss, topsoil loss, etc.

reidlos1624 t1_j8ti0vp wrote on February 16, 2023 at 9:02 PM

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, I think it needs to be reduced, but of that 27% (per US gov stats on CO2 for transportation) only 41% is passenger cars. So really, passenger vehicles are only 11% of CO2 emissions. It's not nothing but it's also not the largest contributor.

Point being it can be nonzero and still be effective. We don't need to ban all ICE options, we just need most people to move to alternatives so that the few people who have legitimate need for ICE can still use it.

SilverNicktail t1_j8u8x5b wrote on February 16, 2023 at 11:57 PM

The ICE bans in place are for 2035, and even then only for new sales. I think we've got plenty of time to figure out alternatives for the edge cases where ICE stuff is still used.