El_Tigre t1_is0wc62 wrote on October 12, 2022 at 2:26 PM

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Okay, Now what? I don’t find any of that as reprehensible as you do. It’s how it works. My family have been dairy farmers for generations. They operate in co-ops up in Wisconsin. Milk, cheese, meat, it’s food. These animals shouldn’t be mistreated, and at the same time phrasing routine processes in dairy production in that way comes off as manipulative.

You feel how you feel about it. I’m not going to invalidate those feelings. We have to accept at some point some people have made the decision to continue consuming animal products, despite knowing how the “sausage is made” so to speak. Death is part of it. Artificial insemination is part of it. You’ve made your choice, and are sticking to your principles, please respect other’s choices to do so.

Bornchillbrah t1_is0yfdb wrote on October 12, 2022 at 2:41 PM

So the cows are consenting to being treated this way? Are they asking for it? Are they thrilled to see their offspring stolen from them and forced into the same treatment? Is it natural for their bodies to be repeatedly impregnated and milked until they're no longer physically able to? Are dairy products the only easy method to get vital nutrients such as calcium?

I'm not trying to disrespect people's choices, I'm trying to educate and open their eyes about the horrors of the meat and dairy industries. There's tons of vegan alternatives that are widely available and provide just as much nutrition and taste very similar. Why then would someone continue to support animal abuse after being exposed to these truths? Not to mention the environmental impacts as well. Hell, I could even go as far as exposing the dairy industry propaganda, but that's another argument altogether..

El_Tigre t1_is1lqzs wrote on October 12, 2022 at 5:16 PM

They can’t consent, they’re cows. They’re food. It’s how we get milk and dairy products. Vegan alternatives are heavily dependent on soy, gluten and nuts. The three largest allergens there are so some vegan alternatives aren’t viable for everyone. There are environmental impacts for dairy and meat alternatives, as well. Dairy is extremely easy to get as it’s widely available, it’s not the only way to get it, for sure.

I understand your position, I don’t agree. There’s dairy industry propaganda I agree with that. You don’t think your position is anchored in privilege, though? Like you’ve got the ability to “expose” the dairy industry through using inflammatory language and representing standard industry practices as “rape” and “stealing”. That’s your perspective.

I see cows and other animals as living beings, but I also see them as food. You’re free to look at others that consume meat and dairy products as supporters of animal abuse, I don’t agree.