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AsslessBaboon OP t1_itzpgi7 wrote

>Florida's Miami Beach adopted an ordinance Wednesday banning race-based hair discrimination in housing, employment and access to public services and facilities.

Not American, but I've heard of how rampant this is in the states. It is bewildering, maddening and saddening. I've only visited once but the fact that hair products for my hair type are locked up and overpriced shook me.

That said, a ton of what people say about ya, ain't true. You welcomed me with lots of love, and am glad Miami beach is addressing an endemic issue. All the best

For anyone interested, John Oliver did a segment on the hair discrimination in the US

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wakeupmf t1_iu2fc07 wrote

Thanks for sharing the article. Yes it happens to black folks pretty often here in America. My relatives have had to shave their head (they had nice/neat dreads) and I’ve had friends who have been told their hair is too “unprofessional” for the job or it’s “unkempt” even though it’s just their natural hair (braids, curls, etc.) I hate that this law had to be made, but on the flip side I’m glad they won’t have to deal with that blatant racism.

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AsslessBaboon OP t1_iu2g61r wrote

Glad I could help (albeit not much).

So sorry to hear that Guv. I genuinely do hope things change over there. Till then, be safe and be well. Cheers

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ark_mod t1_iu0m00y wrote

I think it's more nuanced than this. Your statement on how rampant this is - well I can't speak to the southern Republican led states with a history of racism (excuse me confederate states rights) but in the states I lived in this wasnt a huge issue. The only areas that did have this stuff locked up did so for good reasons - they were high priced items that often got stolen. To be clear I lived in Milwaukee near the Walmart on Capital. This was an area with high crimes rates. People regularly got shot in a neighborhood a few blocks south. Their were almost always cops dealing with crime in the area. Also FYI - MKE is one of that most segregated cities in the US to this day. I point this out as there are white, Hispanic and Black neighborhoods in MKE. The business owners often reflected the residence due to how segregated MKE is. If you're been discriminated against by someone in your neighborhood chances are they had the same skin color.

Now the argument on why the products are more expensive - that may be valid. However I don't think it's discrimination for a store in a high crime area to lock up products that are high cost and get stolen often.

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AsslessBaboon OP t1_iu0mpkk wrote

I only visited Georgia. Noticed that the same brand and type of product for caucasians would be unlocked, right next to a locked RFID tagged product of the same function for African hair right next to it on the same aisle.

Saw this trend in a number of stores

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ark_mod t1_iu0qvqz wrote

Ahh Bingo! Georgia is an awful state - sorry to those from Georgia.... It's true. They are a southern "former confederacy" state with a huge racism problem. Take a look at the Arbery case - 3 white dudes chased a black man for been "in the wrong neighborhood" and killed him. I am sorry if your only experienced in America was in Georgia. They have good food and good music but have a history of racism and electing idiots.

They have issues with supressing the vote (remember no water in voting lines - lines created by having reduced polling sites in heavily populated democratic and regions with people of color).

They also may elect a former football player who is a chronic liar and complete idiot to run their state because - and I not kidding - football is popular in Georgia. This man is running on a platform of anti-abortion and has had multiple girlfriends come forward saying they were pressured by him into aborting they're baby with him. Yet they would rather have him over a democratic pastor and business man who had been involved in government for years. No let's give it to the lying, cheating person with no government experience because - football.

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winterorchid7 t1_iu0zz9z wrote

I'm from Georgia - no offense taken. I'm glad I got out of there with my sanity.

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jacksonruckus t1_iu11eim wrote

No you didnt

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HeatherAtWork t1_iu13aq8 wrote

Another man coming to invalidate another woman's experience. You'd think the little piss babies would be bored of that by now.

Page 104 of the idiot male handbook.

Page 7 is feminazis and page 105 (coming next) is condescending word salad.

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kittyinasweater t1_iu0qu9e wrote

Idk if you watched the video or just missed it but John Oliver said the items that were locked up in that particular Walmart were similarly priced to the white hair products. I didn't hear anything in the video about the products being more expensive, although I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case for some products.

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kauapea123 t1_iu1d0rr wrote

Maybe those products get stolen more, so they’re locked up, like cigarettes, etc. Stop jumping to conclusions.

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kittyinasweater t1_iu1oivk wrote

Lol if you would watch the video, you would realize that they tried to collect data that proves those products are stolen more, and Walmart didn't have any data to provide. They even released a statement along with CVS and another company stating that they would no longer be locking up ethnic hair products.

So who exactly is jumping to conclusions? Why don't you actually look at the material you're commenting on before calling someone out.

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AsslessBaboon OP t1_iu0uzjn wrote

In the case of pricing. Am talking of my experience when I visited. Plus when I asked my mates there, they made jokes that it's the "black tax", similar to the Pink tax

Not pricing within the JO segment. It would be a tad irresponsible of me to recommend and put the link if I hadn't watched the segment.

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kittyinasweater t1_iu14nwf wrote

I was replying to the comment under yours. They were justifying the black products being locked up because they're more expensive, but the video you linked (that I don't think they watched) specifically said that the items that were locked up were similarly priced to the products that weren't locked up, directly contradicting his statement that they're locked up for good reason.

My point is that racism absolutely plays a role in the products being locked up, not just data on what's actually being stolen.

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stench_montana t1_iu1ktcz wrote

Or were one of them more likely to be stolen and those ones are more likely to be locked up? Seems extremely logical of that were the case.

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kittyinasweater t1_iu1o65q wrote

In the video, John Oliver mentions they tried to collect the data that proves those items were stolen at a higher rate, but Walmart refers them to the customer service line. So they didn't have anything to back it up and they eventually announced (along with CVS and somewhere else) that they would no longer be locking up ethnic hair products.

So if that tells you anything, it's that something isn't adding up. Literally lol

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jzuccaro1 t1_iu1taas wrote

Break News: Walmart doesn't compile crime statistics.

Who'd have known. That doesn't mean the items aren't stolen at higher rates

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kittyinasweater t1_iu1yc41 wrote

The fuck they don't lmao. Walmart tracks everything that has to do with sales.

If they can't prove it, how did they decide to make it policy in the first place? They obviously would've had to have numbers showing those products are getting stolen more often, prompting them to lock the items up.

It's not rocket science my guy.

So if those numbers don't exist because they don't track it, then what would lead them to lock those products up besides racism?

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CopiumAddiction t1_iu11y9c wrote

I don't think that you're really grasping the point here. It's more like treating it as "unprofessional" or having rules at night clubs or dress code rules at work/school that don't allow people to have "dread locks" or "afros" or other types of natural hair. It's almost entirely rooted in implicit bias.

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kauapea123 t1_iu1cqvx wrote

Maybe certain products are more expensive b/c they cost more to produce, not everything has to be racist, ffs.

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No_Tank9025 t1_iu1eo16 wrote

Hairstyle variety is Peak Level in the SF Bay Area, come visit!

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BlindTiger86 t1_iu1lghk wrote

I’m American and I’ve literally never heard of hair discrimination before, so I don’t know if “rampant” is the right word.

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wakeupmf t1_iu2eyc8 wrote

black people, like myself, have dealt with this when trying to get hired for jobs. Saying our hair looks “unprofessional” or “unkempt” when wearing our natural hair. It’s pretty common at least for the black community.

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ShutterBun t1_iu0s5ev wrote

“Rampant” is pretty overstated.

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wakeupmf t1_iu2f00p wrote

Not for black people, it’s more common than you think.

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