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Dinklemeier t1_j073h8u wrote

In not sure the parents of that 3yo that was beaten to death by one of the guys on the list would agree with this commutation.

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Ratwar100 t1_j08fpwo wrote

Yeah - Like if you beat a three year old to death because they're annoying you as you attempt to do Meth, I frankly don't give a shit if you live or die. Like I'm 100% understanding when it comes to all the arguments against the death penalty (wrongfully convicted, expense from all the appeals, morally questionable), but at the same time, I just don't care (at least for the correctly convicted ones).

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pample_meese t1_j096szq wrote

The point is not whether or not that guy deserves to die, it’s whether or not we have the right guy, or if it was actually the guy who looks just like him and also smokes meth, but never hurt a child, and we all know, our justice system makes some unfortunate mistakes.

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klasspirate t1_j08ho4f wrote

You don't think they are 'uplifted' at this news?

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Dinklemeier t1_j08ke63 wrote

Going to go out on a limb and say the parents of every kid raped and murdered on the victim list fall into the "less than uplifted" category

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Cole-train99 t1_j079oeh wrote

Agreed, some people don’t deserve the time they get to live after atrocious crimes.

I’m a neutral voter, I absolutely hate politics and talking about them. But people like Cruz, Ramos, and the others do not deserve to live comfortably in a cell for the rest of their lives.

Maybe I sound very bad saying that but I’ll never like the fact that these people get to live while little kids, parents, officers and more die because of their actions.

And before people say gun control, sure maybe harder gun control will help, but people will always find a way to get a gun. Illegal guns are every where now.

Releasing people like Victor Bout assures that.

Edit: before I get downvoted to hell, I’m not saying everyone deserves the death penalty. But people like Cruz and Ramos, who are without a single doubt 110% guilty do not deserve to be comfortable. I know people are wrongly convicted and sentenced but these guys, and many more have enough evidence.

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KnownUniverse t1_j09f73e wrote

I feel like you want vengeance instead of justice. There's a difference. It's cheaper to let these monsters live in a cage until death. They won't be able to cause further harm, just as if they were already dead.

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GoPointers t1_j09oc0p wrote

Is it vengeance? I feel that if somebody decides they have the right to take another life, then by that flawed belief system they're acknowledging that someone has the right to take their life. So in the really bad cases, where the convicted murderer was convicted with 100% certainty, I'm not against it. However I don't like how there is no consistency to how it's applied, for example Texas. Looking from a broader perspective the US is one of the few remaining western countries that still hasn't banned the death penalty, so it probably should just be banned federally, though the conservatives won't let that happen.

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