ChiragK2020 t1_j1dzso3 wrote on December 23, 2022 at 4:37 PM

Reply to comment by luckylebron in Afghan Men Stand in Support of Women After Taliban College Ban by BlitzOrion

Why are y'all acting like this is crazy and yall don't understand any of their reasoning? Wasn't the whole world like this 200 years ago

rmshilpi t1_j1ecs9m wrote on December 23, 2022 at 6:04 PM

Because Reddit skews heavily towards people from the West and/or Atheists, especially men. Blaming Islam lets Westerners pretend Christianity and Judaism haven't done the same shit, and blaming religion lets Atheist men pretend religion is the problem instead of misogyny (which exists without religion and arguably came first).

I'm an Atheist woman, so I can tell you right now men can and will be absolutely shitty to women without religion, they just find a different set of excuses to justify it.

Meanwhile, a lot of the subcomponents of liberal democracy - which is what mitigates how much cultural bias becomes or remains law - came out of religious tradition (i.e. universal literacy/education), or were organized in religious contexts (i.e. various civil rights movements using churches as bases of organization).

KrazyDrayz t1_j1fsydb wrote on December 24, 2022 at 12:26 AM

>Blaming Islam lets Westerners pretend Christianity and Judaism haven't done the same shit, and blaming religion lets Atheist men pretend religion is the problem instead of misogyny

This is just objectively untrue. Christianity is the most shit on religion on Reddit by a very big margin. Just check r/Atheism. This is because it's the religion that affects the lives of Redditors the most especially now after all this Trump Qanon shit. Also most say the problem absolutely is misogyny which is rooted in religion.

>so I can tell you right now men can and will be absolutely shitty to women without religion,

No shit and no one claims otherwise but it's more shitty the more religious a country is.

rmshilpi t1_j1fzz9d wrote on December 24, 2022 at 1:23 AM

You tried to put an awful lot of words in my mouth for someone who didn't even buy me dinner first.

> Also most say the problem absolutely is misogyny which is rooted in religion.

And that's exactly my point. They blame religion for misogyny.

KrazyDrayz t1_j1g2rtx wrote on December 24, 2022 at 1:46 AM

>You tried to put an awful lot of words in my mouth for someone who didn't even buy me dinner first.

Sorry I didn't mean to. What did I get wrong?

>They blame religion for misogyny.

One must be living under a rock if they can't see its increase is because of it. Just like now what happens with Taliban. What happens in Iran. Iran used to be more secular. With the current leadership it has very opressive laws. Look at America. What do you think the Republican utopia would look like? Claiming these mysogynist stuff don't happen because of religion is so out of touch with reality. If religion went away of course mysogyny wouldn't go away but sure as hell there wouldn't be a mandatory hijab law and access to education.

Atheists aren't blaming mysogyny in nordic countries on religion because it is not because of it. They blame it on religion where religion affects it.

WillUmbrellaYou t1_j1ffnbo wrote on December 23, 2022 at 10:42 PM

Check out Gary Willis if you haven’t. He talks about the value of Women in Islam. Specifically talks about the two women equivalence to men. Just interested in your thoughts. Misogyny is rooted to the very core of man nature and im sorry for that.

Edit: couple extra thoughts; Misogyny probably stems from greed, lust, and envy. These trait are in both genders. However men have physical strength over women while women have (i dont really know the term so imma call it magic) over men but that same magic is whats pushing men to use their physical strength. My question is why is that our design. Islam actually tells us that the internally peaceful human is that which doesnt give in to desire and the one that does is filled with chaos and conflict and in a sense same is true about misogyny.