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enzovrlrd t1_j2a35fe wrote
Reply to comment by _PM_ME_YOUR_FORESKIN in Brazil will have first Indigenous woman chief for key post by Slavic_Dusa
The dude was literally in prison. There is no silver lining here. Just because the other was bad doesn't make it a good deal. There is a much longer and deeper discussion to be held here but to summarize: the right to vote without consequence or collateral makes it easy to abuse. A relative was a candidate at this election and hundreds of people walked into the committee asking how much would she pay for their vote. In broad daylight, no shame on it either.
As long as my vote matters as much as theirs, the wrong people will manipulate and skew the situation towards their needs. Lula is skilled at this, he negotiates with the people that matter. In a way, he reminds Frank Underwood in his maneuverability and lack of morals applying his tactics. From all the people that occupied high ranks in his party, only a handful of the gullible or unimportant were not incarcerated for corruption. From low ranking messagers to the minister in charge of his staff, the list would almost be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
With all that said, though, I believe most of the blame is within Brazilian culture itself. It's perceived as being street smart if you are able to take advantage of others, no matter how. People study hard to get public office jobs that they can't be fired from, so they can "relax" and have a comfortable life with minimum effort. The state ends up being overstaffed and barely doing the minimum, all when millions get paid to pretend it's not their fault. Maybe a handful of well educated and informed generations might start to improve this but I doubt it. It's in our nature to do this with "jeitinho", loosely translated to "our little way"
Good-mUonkey t1_j2a77o0 wrote
There is some silverlining though, the judge that put him in prision was a Bolsonaro ally, the UN and the supreme court of Brazil literally said it was an unfair trial.
enzovrlrd t1_j2ahv9k wrote
That doesn't make any of his crimes less truthful. Besides that, the supreme court had many ministers appointed by himself and the intermediate superior court, composed of 3 judges, not only confirmed the first instance sentence but increased the number of years to be served. It's literally impossible to retract the political aspect of an ex-president, there are many bad things about both sides of the legal battle, but regardless, Lula's son has ascended from minimum wage to multi millionaire within a couple of years. To pretend he is a good citizen is naive and enabling
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brokenhumerus t1_j2aujn7 wrote
>Lula is skilled at this, he negotiates with the people that matter.
That's literally ✨politics✨
>From all the people that occupied high ranks in his party, only a handful of the gullible or unimportant were not incarcerated for corruption.
To say Lava Jato (and Mensalão, since we're talking corruption) was exclusive to PT is extremely gullible, and ignorant.
Y'all give Lula way too much credit for being "a strategist" lol
tetryds t1_j2ayf10 wrote
Achei o bolsomino
RightActionEvilEye t1_j2aghi7 wrote
Found the Lavajatista (Car-Wash Operation 'fan').
Brazil will not be "saved" by some arrogant middle-class elite, thinking they are selfless enlightened heroes saving the people from their "primitive" ways.
Collective action and organization are a better approach.
enzovrlrd t1_j2aizy8 wrote
It is your ignorance that needs saving, your affirmation lacks an argument and barely means anything. Yes, PT was criminal, from the simple definition of convicted of criminal activity. Your mental gymnastic to pretend they will suddenly behave properly is as naive as your name calling is mischievous
RayneSazaki t1_j2csx2m wrote
my name is Joker, but the biggest joke in this room you call an echo chamber is You.
GGABueno t1_j2arnu2 wrote
Comparing Lula to Frank Underwood is a joke lmfao. He's most compared to Steve Bannon... who was working for Bolsonaro's campaign.
If you don't want the Worker's Party to come back, which is fair, then don't fucking vote for the vilest piece of shit you can find.
enzovrlrd t1_j2deyeu wrote
I didn't. The duality of it makes it beyond comprehension. People calling the representative of banking and industry sectors a communist and the one that buys support with handouts a fascist. It's even dumber to assume whoever didn't vote for a side to be for the other one; the proportion of the population that can name the political proposal of the candidate they voted for is abysmally low. That's my point. You don't even need to go far, just follow this thread and look for people calling me "bolsominion". I didn't vote for him on either election, yet it's easier to fight the perception of an enemy, regardless of how real he is
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