doyouhavetono OP t1_j2mk7gr wrote on January 2, 2023 at 1:01 PM

Reply to comment by jaceapoc in Defying Expectations, EU Carbon Emissions Drop To 30-Year Lows by doyouhavetono

Go to Europe and ask around haha, it's been fine for the most part, all the panic before the winter led to a lot of measures being taken which led to very little changing in terms of peoples standard of living. Also, I need to stress that Europe is not 1 country, and there's definitely a couple places that have been worse off, but the majority of countries in Europe have been genuinely fine! Can't really generalise all of the EU together

jaceapoc t1_j2msqr1 wrote on January 2, 2023 at 2:21 PM

Tell that to my family members who spend between 500-700€ a month on electricity and gas bills alone. Used to be 100-250 max before shit hit the fan. Got plenty of friends living in cities who have difficulties paying bills, too. Personally, I'm lucky enough to be self-sufficient for 90% of my energy needs as I live in the country side with solar and other systems, so I'm not concerned by this BS for the most part.

Even my home town has recently started turning all outside lights (roads, neighbourhoods, highway, stores, shops, public transport stops, malls, etc etc) from midnight until 5AM because of how expensive it still is.

Before the holidays, grocery shops installed glass doors in front of the coolers/freezers to keep the cool air inside, and installed automatic lights that only turn on when you open the door and reach for a produce.

Not sure where you're at, but you're probably not of the Northern part of Europe if you can say all that without lying.

And why did you downvote anyway? Did you even check the sub out? Literally go on that sub and look at all the threads talking about the insane hikes in energy costs... I know it was you so don't even try to say it wasn't lol

doyouhavetono OP t1_j2mto9r wrote on January 2, 2023 at 2:29 PM

https://imgur.com/a/XLVsxnY I didn't downvote, but there is a large quantity of people that auto downvote when they see the word "lol" on reddit, which is a bit wild, I see no problem with what you said despite the fact that it doesn't resonate with me - I think it's more likely that whoever upvoted my comment is the one that downvoted yours, no need to get all defensive over it, chill the beans

Im sorry to hear that about your family, how far north are you living? I know there are certain spots that have had it a little more difficult, but I believe for the majority of the EU its been more or less business as usual! There are people complaining on the sub, yes, but (I feel bad saying this), I know that people tend to only speak of things like this when they're worse off. People complain more often than they do celebrate. There's a name for this phenomenon, I've forgotten what it is

I'm from Ireland, where theres been more or less no change! Definitely not the north, but not the south either!

jaceapoc t1_j2mvf7v wrote on January 2, 2023 at 2:44 PM

Ok my bad, then.

But come on mate... Ireland has pretty much been not concerned by the energy crisis... What do you mean?? Russian gas dependencies in European countries. My country is top 3 of that list... My family lives in 5 different countries in Europe, mainly Northern Europe (Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands and Finland), and one in Italy. My friends are mostly in France and Switzerland. It's crazy everywhere. I know what I'm talking about... It's not "back to business as usual", no, just no.....

It really sounds like you need more perspective

>There are people complaining on the sub, yes, but (I feel bad saying this), I know that people tend to only speak of things like this when they're worse off. People complain more often than they do celebrate.

That's a crazy thing to say in times like these... I don't even know where to begin with that... Hopefully you're just young and don't know much about life in general to say stuff like you say, and hopefully you'll reflect on that some more cause that's just crazy