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juiceboxzero t1_iw0l1fz wrote

Couldn't the same thing be said about humans? We have all of everywhere else to hang out in too.

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juiceboxzero t1_iw0lv8u wrote

The point is if you're not okay with the risks of being out in the wild, stay home.

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juiceboxzero t1_iw0mire wrote

So your argument is basically "I am more important than nature"?

Go to somewhere that isn't part of Grizzly bears' natural habitat if you want to recreate without the fear of getting eaten alive.

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juiceboxzero t1_iw0nsui wrote

There what is? The illustration of how stupid your argument is?

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juiceboxzero t1_iw0oj6a wrote

Humans are thriving in tons of other places in North America. This isn't about human lives - it's about human convenience. I don't dispute that your life is more "valuable" than a bear's. I dispute that the fulfillment of your recreational goals is.

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malker84 t1_iw0rgf3 wrote

As someone who lives (with two small boys) in the Methow at the doorstep to NCNP. I’m with u/CnD123 on this one.

Have you ever hiked in Glacier NP u/juiceboxzero? I ask because it’s a very different feel than the cascades, “higher consequences” for lack of attention in the backcountry for one. It’s fun to be in that environment but certainly not something I want to deal with on a daily basis. As someone else stated, black bear are docile, they know their place and rarely cause issues. I ran one off our property (it was eating apples off our tree) just a few weeks ago. Griz are different, they know they’re the top of the food chain. There’s almost certain to be human griz conflict. Guess who’s on the hook when that happens? The federal assassins who’s job it is to hunt and kill any bear that becomes too comfortable around humans (ie. thinks they’re top of the food chain).

I get the sense you are ok with this because you won’t be affected by it. I assume you would feel different if you had experience hiking around griz AND were faced with them reintroduced in your back yard for no functional reason other than “they used to be here many decades ago and it would be nice”. Where does that logic end? There’s no way to change all the ills humans have brought upon this earth by reintroducing griz to NCNP. Unfortunately..

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juiceboxzero t1_iw0ux52 wrote

If you're unwilling to accept the consequences of the natural environment you live in, you should consider living elsewhere.

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malker84 t1_iw0ypbi wrote

Lol. The response I would expect from a person who has so little to add. No response to any of the questions I posed or points I made, simply latched onto the first sound bite that came to mind.

Your comment makes no sense. I moved here BEFORE the griz. I’m willing to accept many consequences of life out here. I take issue with resources being used to artificially implant wild animals (of the aggressive apex predator type) in a area just because they “once roamed there”.

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BareLeggedCook t1_iw0nqzq wrote

It’s insane to take the nature out of nature lol.

Only want to experience it if it’s 100% safe?

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_Miskey_ t1_iw160ps wrote

How is N Cascades not a remote place away from population centers?

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