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jabbadarth t1_j7ppj98 wrote

First off let's not link foxbaltimore as a source. They specifically write pieces to rile up the county folk and get clicks, they don't actually want to help. Second this is insanely ahortsighted and assumes that all these kids have no chance of ever learning which is bullshit. I mean most won't become doctors but some will and just because most won't doesn't mean they should be abandoned to "play video games", I mean wtf. There are tons of jobs that don't require a high level of education.

The problems, which are constantly laid at the feet of the school system stem from much more than failing schools. There are certainly some schools that have poor leadership and bad teachers but saying the whole system is failing means that a majority of teachers aren't doing shit amd that's bullshit. Thing is kids go to school for 6 hours a day 5 days a week assuming perfect attendance that's 30 hours a week. Take out 56 hours for sleep and that leaves 82 hours where kids are outside of school. Plenty of those kids have normal family lives with parents who care and have time to help with reading and homework but plenty have parents who are too busy to help or unable to help or no parents or any number of other issues and yet we expect them to get enough information in 30 hours a week while the 82 hours they are generally on their own and free to do what they want.

The solution is a multifaceted one that involves a whole lot more than just a school. We need mentors, community centers, before and after school programs, parenting classes, free childcare, more and better jobs for parents with free Healthcare and paid time off. But instead we just say these kids are hopeless.

I've said this a thousand times but it took us decades to get into this situation with awful policies and disinvestment and racism and segregation amd it will take at least that long to fix it if we start actually trying today.

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MedicalSpecializer t1_j7psbk3 wrote

okay let’s not use foxbaltimore.

Per the school district, their 2022-2023 budget is $1.62 billion. They also say they have 76,000 students. That’s $21,300 per student.

https://www.baltimorecityschools.org/node/1597

https://www.baltimorecityschools.org/district-overview

I’m not blaming the school district, system, teachers, or administration. I’m fact, I think most of them are highly competent, caring, and intelligent individuals who want their students to thrive and succeed.

And those community center and after school programs? They improve math skills (good!) but that’s the end of their effectiveness. They have no impact on attendance or behavior, like at all. They don’t work.

https://www.mdrc.org/sites/default/files/staying_on_track_testing_higher_achievement.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4597889/

These resources don’t meaningfully improve outcomes. This tons of funding isn’t improving outcomes. What do you want to do? It’s not working.

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DecayableBrick t1_j7pwddx wrote

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/money-school-performance-lessons-kansas-city-desegregation-experiment

They tried throwing a massive amount of resources at a similar school system under order of a court and produced almost no positive results. Kansas city had the highest per capita funding of education and the most opulent facilities probably of any public school system in US history. It's an interesting experiment and anyone discussing school funding should be aware of it.

>Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil--more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers' salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country. The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration.

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Cheomesh t1_j7qqpg2 wrote

Man, it really is at home, isn't it.

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DecayableBrick t1_j7r62pj wrote

It's something that people in this sub don't want to hear, but yes.

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