theyoungbloody t1_j7q1h2y wrote
Reply to comment by Matt3989 in 23 Baltimore schools have zero students proficient in math, per state test results by bobbyw24
I hate Fox too, but they literally say in the article where they got their data from > The Maryland State Department of Education recently released the 2022 state test results known as MCAP, Maryland Comprehensive Assessment Program.
Hell its even in the photo they have in the article
Mysterious_Table19 t1_j7q3xjv wrote
If you go to the state website the math scores for 2022 are not available yet (only English). Also if you go to the 2021 data some of the schools listed (e.g. Mervo) had barely anyone take the exam (which would make sense since it is for grades 3-8).
Matt3989 t1_j7q275n wrote
And the Link?
I went to the MCAP Website and the MD Board of Ed. Website and neither have access to the data.
Sure it says that Baltimore School for the Arts was one of 150 schools to give the MCAP test, but did they really give it? How many scores did they report?
Or did they just sign up for it and never end up giving it? My SO has given these tests to her classes, and the technology issues from Pearson often end up causing the test to be a lost cause.
theyoungbloody t1_j7q41d6 wrote
Books dont provide links for sources either even after they cite their sources, are they not valid then?
But fine here you go, heres the data: https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/DataDownloads/FileDownload/458
Matt3989 t1_j7q65qh wrote
Great, now show me where that the data is that supports these claims:
Here's what you linked, sorted by Baltimore City schools reporting anything.
What data was Fox using and why isn't their dataset available?
FrankieRedFlash t1_j7qagwp wrote
Not being a troll just curious after reading the thread what your point is. Do you think if Fox linked to whatever data they used it would show that the kids are proficient in math?
Matt3989 t1_j7qe9dz wrote
I think that they are misrepresenting whatever data they have.
MCAP has Math testing for grades 1-8, Algebra 1, 2, and Geometry.
So I'd be interested to know what criteria they're using to measure High school and Elementary school proficiency. This strikes me as nothing more than another 'Project Baltimore' gotcha piece to appeal to their base (majority of whom probably aren't proficient enough in math to grasp statistics).
If it's not? Why aren't they providing the data and methodology.
theyoungbloody t1_j7qadgd wrote
You asked for data, I provided it. Interpret it how you wish. I'm not here to argue with you.
Matt3989 t1_j7qbzip wrote
You gave me some data, and tried to pass it off as the Data that Fox was using, but even given a cursory glance it's clearly not. For example, Baltimore School for the Arts isn't even in the set you linked, not even as an asterisk.
So you give me some edgey remark about how "books don't link their data hurr hurr hurr" then condescendingly try to show something that supports your case... and it doesn't.
ConcreteThinking t1_j7qdask wrote
Not trolling I am genuinely interested in your point. Are you saying since it's a Fox news story there are really fewer than 23 schools that have no students proficient in math? If so how much do you think they are lying. Two schools, ten, all proficient?
Matt3989 t1_j7qfpac wrote
I think that they are misrepresenting whatever data they have.
MCAP has Math testing for grades 1-8, Algebra 1, 2, and Geometry. The results are not broken down by age. What criteria are they using for "High School Proficiency"
Judging based on other "Project Baltimore" pieces, I would be very hesitant to trust anything from them. If their numbers are solid, why not include data and methodology?
ConcreteThinking t1_j7qhrru wrote
Maybe so. The one chart from Md Board of Ed they include in the article shows that the average in the city is 7% proficient in math. I guess some schools could be at 0% and others higher since it is an average. Pretty bad. Even the highest scoring county in the state, Carroll, only managed to teach 38% of their students to a proficient level.
theyoungbloody t1_j7qj8vv wrote
Dude, I agree with you its weird, I'm not trying to fight you on that.
You asked for the source, I gave it to you, then you started asking me questions about it, which I dont know.
Mysterious_Table19 t1_j7qq8w9 wrote
These is the "English-Alternate" " and the "Mathematics-Alternate" exams; whatever that means.
Just for context it seems like essentially no one took the "Mathematics-Alternate" exam anywhere in the state (no school had more than 58 tests taken most had none).
Hardly surprising no schools had anyone proficient if no one actually took it.
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