Submitted by justkeepbreathing94 t3_11tyny7 in books
rasputin415 t1_jcprjf7 wrote
Reply to comment by deeeeeeeeeevo in Do you ever look up the authors you're reading to get to know them better? by justkeepbreathing94
You can find people in those same eras who aren’t giant pieces of trash, just like you can today. The whole “product of their time” line is such utter bullshit. He chose to write racist shit because he was a racist. You should know the context of his life before reading. You should know he’s a raging bigot. Same with Marian Zimmer Bradley, same with any artist.
rasputin415 t1_jcprvpt wrote
Sure. Sometimes shitty people make art. And the art has shitty views in it. If you can’t see that when you read it, you should do some soul searching. I’m not saying don’t read them. But you should know their worldview.
deeeeeeeeeevo t1_jcpskz8 wrote
I respect your opinion but you’re using the luxury of hindsight in this situation. There’s always gonna be good and bad people who don’t share your opinion! That’s a matter of life, and yes you 100% have the choice to not read or indulge in these peoples work. BUT saying product of their time is bullshit is somewhat ignorant, given that it was the norm back in the day, whether you like it or not.
Now I am not a racist or a bigot in any sense, I just believe there’s more than one side to these arguments and using the luxury of hindsight is somewhat ignorant. Nowadays, there’s no place for people to be a racist in any sense, but back then, it wasn’t frowned upon.
rasputin415 t1_jcpu0ua wrote
Lol. People are racist all the time now, what the fuck are you talking about. And also, saying someone is “a product of their time” IS bullshit. Mark Twain was an ardent abolitionist, and he was alive during the civil war. Ffs.
deeeeeeeeeevo t1_jcpujbx wrote
I didn’t say people aren’t racist? I said there’s no place for people to be racist nowadays. Always two sided to a coin dude, whether you like it or not
rasputin415 t1_jcpz9pb wrote
I would love an example of an author you think isn’t in their work.
deeeeeeeeeevo t1_jcq001c wrote
James SA Corey (Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck) wrote the expanse series and that deals with lots of racism and marginalization. Scott lynch from the gentlemen bastard series, lots!
rasputin415 t1_jcq2apx wrote
Talking about or having something in your writing doesn’t mean you believe in that thing. But how the author treats it, does. What happens to the racists in the Expanse? How are they portrayed?
You’re literally making my point.
rasputin415 t1_jcq3phz wrote
Scott Lynch literally writes about stealing from the rich. Like. Come on.
rasputin415 t1_jcpwwk0 wrote
I know what you said and I’m telling you you’re wrong. What do you think all this anti-“woke” stuff is? JFC.
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