Submitted by hater_first t3_y9ugcr in books
[deleted] t1_it89l2l wrote
Reply to comment by mongreldogchild in Why are black people inexistant in the fantasy/sci-fi genre by hater_first
To deny that white people essentially created and have contributed the most to what we view today as fantasy and sci fi is just historical revisionism and denial. This isn’t a good vs bad judgement, just statement of fact.
The same reason why rap has, until recently, been largely dominated by African Americans. They created the genre and have contributed the most to it.
No one had a problem with that, and the solution to bringing in more diversity was more people of other races immersing themselves in the genre and trying to become rappers. It wasn’t to ask African American rappers to be more inclusive/write about white people lol.
mongreldogchild t1_it8c7xn wrote
I just said that modern fantasy is European based. Way to paint an argument as disingenuous as possible instead of attack the real one. Reread what I said. Fantasy, as a whole, has links to many cultures over many time periods. Fantasy is heavily related to mythology. Unless you think that only Europeans have magic and mythology related stories?
Once again, you are taking two examples of writing that don't relate. Rap and most poetry is highly personal. A fantasy story is not. To say otherwise is just wrong. Participation only matters when participation is allowed to exist. You have willfully ignored every point because it hurts your feelings. We can see that by saying that I'm trying to erase European history from the creation of the modern fantasy genre when that was never stated.
You keep running into the point and then walking away from it. There are societal factors that keep certain people from being able to write certain things with the same reach as others. You can argue that until your face is blue, but that's the truth. Modern standards on what fantasy should be keep out authors with different ideas. Modern standards and racial biases also keep out certain groups. Sociological factors also do which are semi-related to racism as well also keep out certain people from writing and being published. Is that so hard to understand?
Should we dance around the subject for a few more hours so you can prop up nonsensical examples like rapping about Czech Republic when the foundational precedent of rap is always a highly personal narrative and was made by and for a specific group of people in a way that writing (as a whole) and fantasy (as a whole) was not?
You have made arguments many times painting my side of the argument to mean that I want to force writers to only write what I want them to write, that I think a gun should be held to their head. No. Me and OP are asking a question. You are hilariously missing the point because the truth isn't convenient for you. White authors and white European fantasies are the norm. They sell better. They are published more. They have nothing systemically holding them back from the publishing industry in the same way. They are not held to the same standards and can write whatever they wish. They, like you and all of us, are subject to the world we live in which only cares about white Europeans. It isn't a statistical interest. It's a historical precedent based off of white supremacist colonialism from white Europeans to break it down to the most straightforward deconstruction of the argument.
WTDWstonehenge t1_it8ic6n wrote
You’ve hit the nail on the head. Black people/POC are underrepresented because systemic racism. Simple. To argue otherwise is ignorant. (Obviously taking into account historical exceptions.)
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