gothiclg OP t1_j23wd4u wrote
Reply to comment by 2012Aceman in Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand by gothiclg
I’m sorry but did we read the same book? The only sexually liberated thing in the book is Dagne sleeping with 3 men over the course of a lifetime. My aunt was born the same year and I’m pretty sure every single one of her kids is from a different one of her 4 husbands. Sexual liberation is not “I enjoyed 3 men who were in love with me”.
Corrupt government I’ll give her but at the same time barely. Again it was really really really clear she was afraid of specifically communist ideals here, not all government. The book literally only bashed communism and not every government. I’d argue the book was anti communism but not anti government
2012Aceman t1_j241bk6 wrote
Ayn Rand HERSELF was the confident, sexually liberated woman. Her marriage was an open relationship, and she bragged about how good the sex was.
gothiclg OP t1_j242bei wrote
Again I’m not seeing anything sexually liberated there either? Like do you see people before this book was published as super Christian “I only had sex in missionary and only in the confines of marriage” kind of deal? You realize we’ve had open marriages, cheating, sleeping around, and porn forever now right? Nothing about Rand was really new or spectacular and I’m not about to make her this weird new “women’s liberation” person. I have a grandmother, grandfather, great aunt, and great uncle who were all doing similar stuff but didn’t need to publicize it like she did to avoid scandal. The only credit anyone can give her is any amount of fame and money she had would have forced her hand into admitting having sex outside of her marriage in ways another woman of her era would not have had to.
2012Aceman t1_j244c4d wrote
Yea, and Darwin didn't really do much for evolution, he just formatted it to make it easier to read. All the pieces were already there, so why does he get so much credit?
And Columbus didn't discover America, it was already here! In fact, Vikings were here before him, and maybe Muslims (odd timing on that Reconquista and Discovery of America in the same year). So why would we give him so much credit, it isn't like his find changed anything. America was already there, some people already knew it, we would have eventually found it anyway....
gothiclg OP t1_j2454iu wrote
She honestly was offering 0 new for the time period, 0. I say this as someone who had that many people alive at the time doing the same stuff. Open marriage isn’t any more common but it’s there and it was there during her time. Everyone you listed gets credit for offering evidence of what they’d found making them concrete, nothing about Mrs Rand sharing her sex life would have been so scandalous at the time it would have costed her a social life. Had she been cheating it would have been different but when a good chunk of others are doing it it’s not new
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