9Z7EErh9Et0y0Yjt98A4 t1_iuj7gkm wrote
My whole fucking life this country has been whipsawing up and down with the price of oil. When are we going to say enough is enough and stop sending massive gobs of wealth to these oil and gas rich countries who are massively corrupt and unstable? And if that's not enough burning petroleum is going to make our planet hostile to human life.
Time to break the shackle and build some goddamn nuclear plants and other green energy. This shit is ridiculous.
50calPeephole t1_iujeg52 wrote
If we are going all electric- and that's what MA seems to want to do, there is no other choice.
We don't have the oil, we don't have the natural gas, and we don't even have the distribution network ready for 100% electric, look at where our electricity rates are going and that's before people are forced into all electric cars and fossil fuel surcharges for home heating.
We are going to price ourselves into a problem unless we start working on solutions now.
NotnotNeo t1_iujeblc wrote
ya but...i gotta get to work tomorrow and heat my house today.
i agree, more transition, but we're stuck even more now that supply chains were disrupted enough to generate shortages in things like materials and EVs. and not only is the cost of an EV higher, but the legacy energy costs are higher too, making it harder for people to save up for a transition.
idk what oil production investment policies could have a near immediate impact, but cant get around the fact that the green transition requires, preferably cheap, oil to make it happen.
Michelanvalo t1_iujkqsp wrote
I think /u/9Z7EErh9Et0y0Yjt98A4 's point is that we need to get on that transition plan now. Build the wind farms, build the solar farms, build the nuclear plants, force them through if we have to.
DrunicusrexXIII t1_iuk19ce wrote
And if we run out of diesel in the next 24 days? Farms and all shipping rely on diesel fuel. Today. Now. And nearly all cars that people take to work run on gasoline.
I'm sure I'll get slammed with downvotes for asking, but. What sustainable, equitable, just and tolerant solution may we use, to prevent economic collapse and starvation?
Michelanvalo t1_iuk1dko wrote
If we run out of diesel in 24 days society as a whole is fucked regardless
DrunicusrexXIII t1_iuk2w9f wrote
Yeah, except all of this shit is entirely self inflicted.
There aren't any good reasons why food and heat have doubled and in some cases tripled in prices. Your average Tesla plaid owner is fine. Middle class losers like me and the poors are feeling it.
Michelanvalo t1_iuk37j3 wrote
Oh yeah sure, it's all inflicted by corporate greed. Their pushing the limits of what consumers can afford because they can.
I have a product at work that doubled their price and blamed it on inflation. I said "Inflation is 7%! Where the fuck you get the other 93% from?!"
Woah_Mad_Frollick t1_iujjq2b wrote
Congress just passed the IRA which is going to do a whole lot to unlock clean energy potential, including nuclear. Though a needed permitting reform was supposed to accompany it, and has not yet happened
The government should probably use an option-writing strategy to try and stabilize domestic energy prices in the meantime
DrunicusrexXIII t1_iuk4csf wrote
I hate to break this to you, but very little solar power is generated at night, which is when we need heat and light. Ditto for windmills, when there's no wind.
The average windmill costs one million dollars, last ten years, and powers at best 500 homes. The average set of solar panels, absent large taxpayer subsidies, costs $50k, degrades to uselessness in 10 years, and powers one house.
And good luck trying to get a reactor online, when we can't build or maintain even a subway line.
People should've thought of that shit a little earlier in the process. Angry, unemployed, hungry people tend to not vote for environmental things when they're looking for food and fuel. They tend to act more like the cast of Mad Max.
Woah_Mad_Frollick t1_iuk6h6q wrote
Storage is becoming more diverse and cheaper by the day. A wide array of clean firm power sources such as advanced geothermal power, more scalable nuclear technologies and Allam Cycle gas can compliment variable renewables nicely. PV panels can be built at utility scale far more efficiently than what can be achieved with rooftop solar. Your estimate of rooftop installation is also more than double top end figures so I don’t know where you’re pulling that out of. Likewise your figure for rooftop PV productive life is off by double. I also already mentioned the need for permitting reform so I’m not going to go back and forth with you about the difficult of getting contemporary nuclear plants built
And did you miss the link I provided which recommended we reverse underinvestment in domestic O&G fields via option writing?
Nobiting OP t1_iuj7xim wrote
Preach!
es_price t1_iujdzu1 wrote
We do at least get some students in return and that keeps the clubs and restaurants and universities in business.
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