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evidica t1_j8ztgrv wrote

It's almost as if when people are armed, they're less likely to be murdered.

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MadcapHaskap t1_j8ztsoy wrote

Nope, it's actually the data that when people have guns, the overall murder rate doesn't really change.

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evidica t1_j8ztzlj wrote

Looks like arming at least 20% of your population is enough to end a lot of senseless death, but I'm just looking at the data here.

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MadcapHaskap t1_j8zuo5t wrote

You should use all the data then, rather than cherry picking a subsample.

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HijacksMissiles t1_j8zv537 wrote

I think the clear conclusion from using all the data is that increased availability of firearms does not increase homicide.

Contrary to all the "common sense" arguments circulating on the subject.

(Provided we accept the source data as true)

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MadcapHaskap t1_j8zviiy wrote

I'm not aware of any common sense arguments to the contrary. Gun ownership rates and murder rates are uncorrelated, as you'd expect.

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HijacksMissiles t1_j8zvyan wrote

You wouldn't believe how many facebook meme level arguments I've seen asserting the opposite.

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evidica t1_j8zv2px wrote

What data am I missing here? Where's a country with high gun ownership and high intentional homicide?

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OneGuyJeff t1_j8zwigs wrote

At best you can say from this (poorly made) graph is that # of guns is not the only factor in homicide. This proves nothing about gun ownership bringing down homicide. The truth is all countries are different, and they all have different factors that can raise or lower homicide rates.

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evidica t1_j8zylix wrote

That's fair, also proves the existence of guns doesn't increase homicide either.

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