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857477458 t1_ir5qlab wrote

No way to avoid politics here so I'll just go right at it. The problem here is the fact that for Democrats "minority" really only means black people. Hispanics are basically ignored and of course Asians are heavily discriminated AGAINST.

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RD__III t1_ir5woo0 wrote

Because black people are almost entirely Democrat (some sources put it as high as 95%). Hispanics are closer to 2/3rd Democrat.

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magnesiumb t1_ir73nl3 wrote

There are black Hispanic folk. As well as white and those who consider themselves mixed (indigenous and white mix). I don’t get this comment — the issue with this data is comparing broad racial groups to an ethnic group.

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ArtisanalYogurt t1_ir7rdc5 wrote

This is a ridiculous comment which has nothing to do with the data presented. This graph mostly implies how much each group pursues masters level education. Nothing about this graph says anything about discrimination. The real question is what is motivating each group to pursue or not pursue masters level education, and why some groups pursue it more than others.

Remember, to get a masters degree a person has to choose to apply for a masters program. Universities aren’t scanning the general population for choice candidates, which is why your comment suggesting discrimination against Asian students or preference for Black students is irrelevant to the discussion of this data.

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StranglesMcWhiskey t1_ir5yqlr wrote

Even if this was the truth, and 'Democrats' had so much ability to influence education, how do you then explain the results for the asian demographic?

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857477458 t1_ir5zy5a wrote

Asian culture stresses education ridiculously hard. Also, most Asian immigrants are well off.

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DavidWaldron t1_ir9jsvh wrote

This is a popular idea, but it’s mostly false. The main reasons immigrant groups today are unusually successful is the same as it has been throughout American history: with a few exceptions, immigrant groups are selected from the higher socioeconomic strata of their home countries. This is partly because mobile people tend to be wealthier and more educated in the first place, but it’s also a function of our immigration restrictions.

A recent book by Leah Boustan and Ran Abramitzy covers this topic over the past century. Research by Ed Lazear covers the part about how current country-specific numerical limits function to select higher-educated groups.

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drugsr4lozers t1_ir7cdzz wrote

Do you have a source to backup the claim of “most Asian immigrants are well off”?

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drugsr4lozers t1_ir7rz9p wrote

Yep, doesn’t provide a source and just downvotes. Random numbers of a username only make you look like more of a bot 🤖

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857477458 t1_ir7t3hk wrote

Hate to break it to you Elon, but everyone who disagrees with you isn't a bot.

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StranglesMcWhiskey t1_ir65w5p wrote

So democrats have so much power that they can influence education so strongly against Hispanics, but despite them actively trying to hold other PoC (besides, 'black' people, the only recognized minority) back, those of Asian cultures can not only overcome this bias, but thrive despite it?

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Any-Bottle-4910 t1_ir6ey9z wrote

Strangely, African immigrants do exceptionally well, despite the exact same outward appearance. Why?

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GottaVentAlt t1_ir796zi wrote

Mindset which is heavily shaped by environment. Recent immigrants usually have strong enclaves/communities with a lot of social cohesion and support for each other. On the other hand, US and more local policies have been pretty directly responsible for the weakening of certain communities and reducing opportunities. Some of these policies, like redlining, were a long time ago but still have clear rippling effects on investment into these communities.

It's not "playing victim" when you and your recent ancestors were absolutely victimized by the society you live in.

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GottaVentAlt t1_ir8d776 wrote

Victimized but got away from it. It is exceedingly difficult to "escape" poverty and the culture that goes with it when there isnt another place accepting you. Immigrants here typically have a very different support network than some poor kid in the bad part of town, who is born here into the systems (or legacies of the systems) that have kept them down. Even if that kid has a great mindset and works hard, the cards are stacked against them succeeding. I had a good friend I went to community college with, who had been arrested for breaking up a fight at school. His school had more cops than college councilors. He talked about this stuff a lot, because he was one of the only people from his class who went on to college and it upset him, obviously.

And what does success look like for someone like that? Leaving their family and neighborhood behind? Essentially becoming an immigrant in their own country? It's complicated. That's what a lot of successful people end up doing, because otherwise, they can't be very successful, because of the lack of investment into these communities means there's not much opportunity. These pioneers leaving continues to keep the investment out and the poverty concentrated. Its a cycle.

The mindset, if that's the issue, isn't going to easily change without serious investment into poor communities. The culture didn't develop out of nowhere.

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857477458 t1_ir6659q wrote

Well, I wouldn't say Asians are thriving. They should be far more successful if not for affirmative action.

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