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Expandexplorelive t1_irp8ait wrote

Reply to comment by SeanyBravo in Gun violence in Philadeplphia. Not beautiful, but... by uhhiforget

Suicides are violence.

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SeanyBravo t1_irp99j8 wrote

You don’t solve suicides with the same style of programs or legislation that you solve homicides and assaults with. One is an issue of mental health well the other is an issue of many confounding factors such as poverty, gangs, and educations. If you honestly want solutions to either of these problems we have to treat them as different types of violence. Treating them as the same only is used as a way to manipulate data to make problems appear to have different roots then they really do.

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Expandexplorelive t1_irpa5n7 wrote

>You don’t solve suicides with the same style of programs or legislation that you solve homicides and assaults with.

I mostly agree.

>Treating them as the same only is used as a way to manipulate data to make problems appear to have different roots then they really do.

To what end?

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SeanyBravo t1_irpc8vt wrote

its an effort to make it appear that higher legal gun ownership rates = higher gun homicide and shooting rates as that’s what people typically associate with the term gun violence. If we consider suicides and criminal shootings the same we get the leaders in gun “violence” per capita being the likes of AK, MT, and other rural state with high amounts of gun suicides to total population. If we don’t include suicides in gun violence we end up getting leading state like IL, DC, Missouri, and some of the poorer southern states. Some of these places still have high gun ownership rates well others have Low ownership rates. The reality is that poverty and lower education do a lot better job of predicting gun violence then legal ownership rates.

https://everystat.org

This site has a map that helps visualize the differences when we consider suicides versus when we don’t.

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