vlsdo t1_itoo9jk wrote on October 25, 2022 at 4:34 AM

the "fall or slip" causes are a bit weird as categories, because it's something that's frequent and expected when climbing; by themselves, a fall or a slip shouldn't result in an accident, so usually there's a different factor at play (foot around rope, back clipping, belayer error, etc.)

binz17 t1_itouqx2 wrote on October 25, 2022 at 5:47 AM

i could imagine many falls on R (5.9 R) rated routes have ledges you can fall on. Or there are swing risks if the route traverses at all.

The chart doesn't really say the severity though i might guess this is hospitalizations and death? not sprains and scrapes.

vlsdo t1_itpwzlv wrote on October 25, 2022 at 1:23 PM

I agree, but then where are "belayer error" or "clipping error" categorized? I would imagine those count for a lot more than happening to hit a ledge while falling.

Turtley13 t1_itqo194 wrote on October 25, 2022 at 4:27 PM

Have to think about it in terms of Main cause and secondary.

vlsdo t1_itqrj7o wrote on October 25, 2022 at 4:50 PM

But when a cam pulls out it's also because of a fall. Why does that get its own category?

Turtley13 t1_itqvs9k wrote on October 25, 2022 at 5:17 PM

Not necessarily. You can be 'taking' on a piece or using it as an anchor.