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somethingwithbacon t1_iwlxko7 wrote

Reply to comment by thestereo300 in US States, Police Training v Shootings/Violent Crime (per million) [OC] by tommytornado

The only states approaching 50% ownership are the Dakotas and West Virginia. Most of America’s guns are represented by gun nuts owning multiple. Regardless, gun ownership in the US is 3 times higher than ownership in Norway, yet the rate of fatal shootings by police in the US is 15 times higher. Cops are poorly trained in this country and we are far too accepting of cops killing citizens.

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AftyOfTheUK t1_iwm2z0u wrote

>The only states approaching 50% ownership are the Dakotas and West Virginia. Most of America’s guns are represented by gun nuts owning multiple.

I'm not sure why legal gun ownership rates have much bearing on this? If the people using guns for violent crime do not legally own them, why would we care in the about legal gun ownerships rates?

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somethingwithbacon t1_iwm4op6 wrote

So your claim is that 80% of guns are owned illegally, and these guns account for all crime? They claimed the disproportionate deaths are due to rate of gun ownership. They’re not.

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AftyOfTheUK t1_iwmi6tl wrote

>So your claim is that 80% of guns are owned illegally

Please quote me when you're attempting to voice my claims. I never claimed that.

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thestereo300 t1_iwma6kf wrote

This country is 1000% more violent than Norway bruh.

Why? Who knows but it’s relevant as hell to this data.

Not only do Americans HAVE guns…. We use them. It’s a mix of super armed and super violent culture compared to other western countries.

Therefore you can’t trot out a simplistic comparison between our police and Norway’s without controlling for many more dangerous situations an American cop is going to see vs a Norwegian cop.

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