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Slow-Substance-6800 t1_j0zx2di wrote

I’ve lived in both Japan and Brazil and this makes me wonder a lot.

It’s true that in recent years there are not so many people that would want to migrate to Brazil but some cities like São Paulo were a hub for immigrants, and a big percentage of my friend’s grandparents were born in different countries, me included. I’m not sure if those old folks are being counted in this because A. It was a long time ago and B. It’s very easy to get a Brazilian citizenship, so they’re all Brazilian by now.

Maybe this map is showing recent migration, or maybe it’s just not considering people that became a National of the country. Idk for sure.

Add that to the fact that a considerable number of refugees moved to Brazil like from Venezuela, Haiti and parts of Africa in recent years. Idk if they have been counted as well.

Now about Japan… if you ever walk around Tokyo and walk around São Paulo, there’s no way you think that Tokyo has more immigrants. Maybe main areas like shibuya and Shinjuku but outside of that it’s all Japanese. Although I know that there are very significant Chinese and Korean communities, idk how are they being counted based on the citizenship law. Some people (idk if the percentage is high enough to even make it but..) have been born in Japan for several generations but refuse to “become Japanese” because Japan doesn’t allow dual citizenship, therefore they would still be foreigners by this metric?

Idk the definition of a migrant, basically.

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Willing_Animator_993 t1_j10bvdy wrote

I would presume the definition would be the people living there but born abroad? Looking this up for Japan and Brazil, it gives 2 and 0.9 percent respectively on Wikipedia, so in the ranges corresponding to the colors. May it be that SP is lot more international than rest of the country? Brazil has actually a huge population - much bigger than Japan, meanwhile Tokyo is bigger than SP. So even if SP is more international than Tokyo, that doesn't seem impossible to go with these stats, as long as the rest of Brazil would have lot less immigrants.

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Slow-Substance-6800 t1_j11zrt6 wrote

You have a good point there. São Paulo represents a small percentage of the whole country because of how populated Brazil is, while Tokyo is represents way more.

The Extended Metropolitan Area of São Paulo, according to Wikipedia, has 33 million people. Brazil has 213 million people. SP is around 15.5% of the country.

The Greater Tokyo Area has 38 million people. Japan has 125.7 million. Over 30% of the country.

So my experiences in Tokyo are a greater representation of the overall country than my experiences in São Paulo, even if the cities are similarly sized.

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BigHead3802 t1_j135o4b wrote

I live in São Paulo and there are a lot of immigrants here.

Peruvians, bolivians, venezuelans, haitians, arabs, chinese etc. Both my parents are immigrants.

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