Submitted by greensino t3_10iv5t3 in dataisbeautiful
kertnik t1_j5io1zv wrote
Reply to comment by BrotherM in [OC] Ethnic Russians in the Russian Federation, 2021 Census by greensino
Your words aren't supported by any electoral or statustical data
canttouchmypingas t1_j5izdf8 wrote
They are, people just don't agree with the data as they believe it's manipulated
kertnik t1_j5j29r1 wrote
Well, Ukraine wasn't ever as repressive as Russia, and in no elections those parties that supported uniting with Russia (note that this is not the same as pro-Russian parties) never had more than 7% of votes.
canttouchmypingas t1_j5j2mi2 wrote
You replied to someone talking about Crimea, there was a referendum and most of the west doesn't accept it. This is the evidence to my counterclaim that his words are indeed supported by data, people just don't agree with it as they believe it's manipulated:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum
kertnik t1_j5j3ao2 wrote
Well, this 'referendum' can't in any way be more evidential than Ukrainian elections, just because it was contucted with military in polling places, under occupation (albeit peaceful), with no equal treatment of the opposing side (no pro-Ukraine narrative was allowed). And moreover, there are lots of discrepancies that implies those numbers were just written without even counting the ballots
canttouchmypingas t1_j5j5zgp wrote
You seem to be debating the data and are elaborating on why you think it's manipulative, that's not the point. You made a claim that there's no statistical data to back it up. I said there was, it was just contested, and provided a link. The only point is that there is data, contrary to your initial claim
kertnik t1_j5j7n2e wrote
It isn't data, I can myself create same thing that '96% Canadians are in favour of joining to the UK'.
Data becomes data when it is real, not just made up.
canttouchmypingas t1_j5jazik wrote
Just because you don't accept it doesn't make it real, you're getting a bit ahead of the point on why you disagree with it. I noted as such in my initial counterpoint where I said that data exists, people just believe it's manipulated. You believe it's manipulated and thus won't accept it, but that does not mean that it does not exist. You claimed that there was no data, I showed you the data. You cannot write it off either as its being used as one of the main claims by Russia. To them its very real and not manipulated. We cannot pretend it doesn't exist because we don't like it. That is the only point I have to make, that your original claim of no data existing is inaccurate. It does exist, it's simply not accepted by the west. There is a difference between nonexistence and nonacceptance.
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