senorali t1_iua8ivv wrote on October 29, 2022 at 7:42 PM

Reply to comment by [deleted] in eli5: What are freemasons and why are there so many conspiracies about them? by SovietCyka756

Organizations are made of people. Get your revisionist shit out of here.

prob_wont_respond t1_iuajybs wrote on October 29, 2022 at 9:03 PM

He's saying the individuals present may be racists in their own right, but as an organization the freemasons do not hold racist views.

There's no revision there, if it isn't in their tenets it isn't in their tenets.

If they particular cluster of douches in NC were racists, they were racists

senorali t1_iuaxpsz wrote on October 29, 2022 at 10:48 PM

The masons as a whole, not just the NC chapters, are old white men. They are most definitely racist and exclusionary. Their actions speak louder than their claims.

prob_wont_respond t1_iuay2a3 wrote on October 29, 2022 at 10:50 PM

Old white men aren't by definition racist. There are racist old white men.

I'm not a member and have no direct evidence of racist practices, if you do I will obviously accept that sourced info.

What actions do you have in mind?

senorali t1_iub1bww wrote on October 29, 2022 at 11:16 PM

You're being pedantic and ignoring the fact that if a group in practice behaves a certain way, it doesn't matter what their stated goals are. Their actual behavior overrides that. You're not providing some amazing revelation by saying "actually, not all of them are like that". These motherfuckers were still segregated 50 years after the Civil Rights Act.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna15405618

prob_wont_respond t1_iub76hs wrote on October 30, 2022 at 12:03 AM

That's a nice source and as I said, I accept it and adjust my opinion.

Reserving judgement is not being pedantic. Judging a group by one anecdotal reference is ridiculous.

"I met a racist American so all Americans are racist by design". Nah.

senorali t1_iub9is7 wrote on October 30, 2022 at 12:22 AM

You could have googled this in five seconds. You contributed nothing to the conversation.

prob_wont_respond t1_iubfyl8 wrote on October 30, 2022 at 1:14 AM

Stand down Dwight, you made a claim and didn't back it up. I refuted anecdotal assumption and feel fine about that, I don't rely on you to inform me of my contribution.