Submitted by C20_H26_N2O t3_z8ogqk in explainlikeimfive
Green_Average t1_iycrst3 wrote
Reply to comment by godsFavgirl in ELI5 how the illegal trade of human organs works? by C20_H26_N2O
It's not happening in "third world countries" - it happens only in Iran.
And it's not like you said - they go in as volunteers after receiving the payment.
They have a centralized matching system, which sets a fixed price of $4.6k per kidney.
Read a little more.
Edit - For all the downvoters. This message is specifically about the comment at the top of the thread that says "it's common to find advertisements in third world countries for kidneys" and not about the illegal kidney trade, which unfortunately is extremely rampant.
MankerDemes t1_iyct7jq wrote
"people selling their kidneys only happens in Iran"
is an interestingly wrong normative claim I wasn't prepared to encounter today.
Green_Average t1_iyctksr wrote
Nope. The claim was never that.
Illegal organ trade happens across the world, even in developed countries. Never contested that.
The OP for this thread stated that people in "third world countries" blatantly post public ads offering their kidneys. That was my point of contention. Since kidney trade (with a monetary benefit) is legal in only Iran and the ad thing is quite common there.
SuchhAaWasteeOfTimee t1_iycx1yy wrote
But you said it only happens in Iran
Tofts4545 t1_iycza0i wrote
Because this is who they replied to:
> In third world countries, It's totally common that a person who has no money publish in the news that he/she has a kidney for sale. It's totally legal.
And since it is not "totally legal" anywhere else, but Iran... This is the part that "only happens in Iran".
This isn't to say black market organ donations don't happen elsewhere. Legal advertising and selling of it doesn't.
themeatbridge t1_iyd0878 wrote
I see what you're saying, but you could have been clearer about what specifically happens only in Iran.
Tofts4545 t1_iyd5wip wrote
It was clear. Reading the thread allows you to formulate the context of what is being discussed.
>but you could have been clearer
Second, I was not the one discussing anything. I am a bystander who understood what was being discussed. I chimed in to help others understand.
themeatbridge t1_iye5vl3 wrote
My mistake, thinking you were the original commenter.
>It's not happening in "third world countries" - it happens only in Iran.
That's an ambiguous statement. Kidneys are sold in third world countries. "It" does happen but "it" isn't legal anywhere except Iran.
KittyKittyXOX t1_iye7q9k wrote
As previously stated, “it” is the legal advertisement of organs for sale
themeatbridge t1_iyeemn6 wrote
Then "it" happens in many countries, it just isn't legal. Saying "it" doesn't happen just because "it" isn't legal is not accurate.
Tofts4545 t1_iye9vex wrote
>That's an ambiguous statement. Kidneys are sold in third world countries. "It" does happen but "it" isn't legal anywhere except Iran.
Original comment that kicked us off:
>> In third world countries, It's totally common that a person who has no money publish in the news that he/she has a kidney for sale. It's totally legal.They get the money and then go to the hospital and say they are volunteer to give the kidney to the person they got money from.
The "it" is the legal public soliciting of your organs. OP was corrected by saying "it" does not happen in other 3rd world countries because "it" is not legal anywhere but Iran.
I can see where this can get lost in the weeds though.
themeatbridge t1_iyeezka wrote
Yes, and if the comment had said "It's not legal anywhere except Iran," then there would be no confusion or disagreement, because that is an accurate correction.
But people do advertise kidneys for sale even in countries where it is not legal. It does happen in many countries. Saying it doesn't happen is different from saying it isn't legal.
Which is why I said they could have been more clear. I was wrong about who said it, because I didn't realize I was replying to someone else. Otherwise, I stand by what I said.
PhantomTroupe-2 t1_iydfzrx wrote
No you just didn’t understand dude
Green_Average t1_iycxatn wrote
Yes, since it's legal there - the newspaper ads and the public advertisement bit only happens in Iran.
You won't find classifieds for kidneys in any other third world country.
While in Iran, you'll find handwritten posters on trees and outside their "kidney centers" with the contact details, blood type and age mentioned.
godsFavgirl t1_iydbz8y wrote
I'm not sure about the location but about "centralized matching system", there is no such thing. They usually write the blood type when they publish the advertisement.
And about "the price", because these people are most uneducated and poor, they just ask for the least amount of money and there is no justice in pricing.
And baby, I didn't read about it, I lived it;)
Green_Average t1_iydcxuv wrote
Of course you've lived it. I totally believe that.
You went to Iran, saw an ad and got yourself a kidney.
And if you're claiming to have seen an ad in some other country - I still totally believe you. Of course. Both your kidneys must be from there, no?
As for regulation, two charities work with the Iranian Ministry of Health to regulate this. Since it's legal, it can easily be regulated.
Read up, before you BS on the Internet, Baby!
godsFavgirl t1_iyde6me wrote
Shame that I can't comment on a picture cause I would definitely comment on the photo that is an advertisement for kidney selling that I took it in my country!
PhantomTroupe-2 t1_iydg6xp wrote
Wait so you bought a poster kidney? Was it…a good kidney? 🗿🗿🗿
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