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geek_fire t1_iy07k47 wrote

Reply to comment by shellshocktm in Eli5 - What is the real meaning of being queer? by confusedsoul95

I feel like either this definition or the above definition of queer is wrong. I don't believe there are only two genders, or any of the above, but I am cis-gendered and heterosexual, so I'm not queer. That is to say, as far as I understand, queer isn't about belief at all.

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shellshocktm t1_iy2fv6r wrote

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying not being queer means believing the heteronormative ideology. I'm saying anyone who doesn't meet the criteria set by heteronormativity is definitionally queer. It just helps with categorisation.

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geek_fire t1_iy2h1aq wrote

I agree with your clarification. But to clarify (maybe belabor?) my earlier point, I'm not specifically saying you were wrong. I'm combining the above definition (not from you):

>The simplest explanation is queer = anything that isn't heteronormative

With your definition that "heteronormative simply means the belief..." I don't think those are both true.

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shellshocktm t1_iy2iooz wrote

They're both ideologies and thus necessitate belief. Either one of them may be closer to the objective truth but that hasn't been explored adequately. I used that framing as a working definition rather than something concrete.

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geek_fire t1_iy2isnx wrote

I guess I've never seen 'queer' as an ideology, so much as a descriptor of personal characteristics and identity.

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