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tiredstars t1_j2d31vi wrote

Reply to comment by Calius1337 in Eli5: what stops separatists from just declaring there independence? by BeautifulAd2418

In a fair few countries declaring independence will be considered treasonous or seditious, so people very much will be stopped, whether you're in China or Spain.

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Calius1337 t1_j2d3hnz wrote

Exactly. That’s what I said. But the question was “what stops them from declaring independence?”. And nothing stops them. But there will be severe consequences if they do.

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Blautopf t1_j2d86pu wrote

Is severe consequences not something that stops you? Than why do we have any punitive justice system?

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Calius1337 t1_j2d95mp wrote

No it’s not. If it would, there would be no crime at all. If I truly want to do something, I’ll do it, no matter what. If the only thing stopping you from doing something is the expected punishment, then there’s something inherently wrong with that system.

There’s a difference between “I would like to kill someone, but if I’m caught I’ll go to jail, therefore I won’t do it” and “I see no reason for killing someone. It’s wrong and immoral and I have no desire to do it.”

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Blautopf t1_j2d9keu wrote

I dont disagree but you have just debunked the whole right wing dogma of harder punishment and more people in jail will reduce crime.

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Pocok5 t1_j2dahp1 wrote

Not much to debunk about it anymore, there have been many studies about how it does squat. People don't vote for it because it is effective.

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