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Lord_Muramasa t1_iybk4nr wrote

You must be young. It is always the same with next generation. Graphics don't get a major difference until the later years of a console. When this gen is 7 or 8 years old you will see a huge difference and yes by then they will be talking about the new next gen by then.

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hamberder-muderer t1_iybox46 wrote

The problem is there are about a hundred million more PS4s in this world than PS5s. So developers are still primarily designing games with the PS4 in mind. The PS5 version will get slightly better graphics, mostly in the form of higher resolutions and better framerates. It's still a PS4 game though, just upscaled.

PS5s have one of the smallest market shares. You would be much better off developing a game for the Switch than making a strict PS5 exclusive.

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Questar18 t1_iyc6sw7 wrote

Ryse son of rome launched with the xbox one and was a huge graphical gap.

Order1886 launched 1 year after the ps4 and was a huge graphical gap

Only huge graphical gap so far is the unreal engine 5 matrix demo

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SadLaser t1_iybte3h wrote

It's worse than ever this time around, because the PS4/Xbox One user bases were so large and new hardware is so expensive. They'll be playing to last gen forever at this point, it feels like.

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Tommy_SVK t1_iyca49c wrote

Good point. If we look at the previous generations, there isn't that much of a difference between the end of PS3 era and the beginning of PS4 era. The games from 2012 and 2014 look fairly similar. If we compare games from the end of PS3 era and the end of PS4 era however, the difference is huge. Just compare TLoU (the original, no remasters) and TLoU2 for example. Or Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls 3. Both came out in the middle of their gens, DS1 looks ancient compared to DS3.

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xiosy t1_iycdbbo wrote

Ryse son of Rome released in 2013 just when the new console releases and it still looks bette than games on ps5 so your statement doesn’t make sense

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Lord_Muramasa t1_iydhmfn wrote

Compare an end of life PS3 game to an end of life PS4 game and it will make perfect sense. Yes you can always find an exception but I am talking about the vast majority of games going from a last gen console to a next gen console.

Ryse son of Rome does look good but I would say Batman Arkham Knight on PS4 or Spiderman Miles Morales on PS5 looks better overall.

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xiosy t1_iydqdnp wrote

I would say Arkham knight looks better than miles morales

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InfiniteExpert8764 t1_iybod3y wrote

lmao, guess you have never played games when the ps1 and the ps2 came out, devs were already pushing the limits of the console within the first year

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SepticKnave39 t1_iybqixl wrote

it was very very easy to notice graphical changes and small technological increases back then. Changing from 100 pixels to 200 pixels was a big deal. That's no longer the case. Graphical leaps are....for the foreseeable future, going to be in minor details, the texture on a pair of pants, how hair moves and interacts as individual strands, how lighting reacts naturally and reflects off surfaces. These are not things you just turn on a game and automatically go WOW! But they all come together to make the scene more realistic looking. You say wow when lightning strikes and the scene pops and looks natural and realistic.

'everyone' still has a PS4/Xbox one. Ps5's are literally only JUST coming into stock at a regular rate to support demand. Games are still being made for the PS4/Xbox one. God of war is on the PS4... You can only push a game so far when you still have to make sure it will be compatible and run on 10 year old hardware. When the PS4 and Xbox one are phased out, and games were no longer coming out for the old hardware, games will really be able to take advantage of the tech... Unfortunately it doesn't usually take over 2 years for a console maker to have enough supply to meet demand.

Sometimes the hardware/tech doesn't go straight into graphical advances like how that chair looks as a asset model, like the PS5/Xbox one hardware that now supports 4k resolution, at 60 frames per second (some at 120), with HDR and VRR. That alone takes a lot of the tech specs, being able to support that. If you don't have a TV that supports 4k @ 120 you also aren't taking advantage of the features of the game/console you are playing and so obviously it's not going to look as good as if you did have a TV that could. If games look disappointing to you, and you still have a 1080p cheap TV.... Thats not the console or the games fault (I'm not assuming you don't, just saying).

Lastly, a console is still always going to be "mid-range" hardware for the time. If you want those settings really cranked up...that's what a high end gaming PC is for, but in order to unlock the full graphical fidelity and frame rates of the game, be ready to spend ~$3,000. The $600 hardware, as good as it is for that price ($ for $ console performance is fantastic) is just not truly how good the game can look. And if you are upset about graphics not really keeping up with the "new gen" you should think how people with gaming PC's feel that are always like 7 years ahead of the "new gen", and games are being made with mid-range console hardware that only gets updated every 7-10 years in mind.

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InitialOutcome3 t1_iybwc9t wrote

Most games now are just optimised for newer hardware, and whilst they do look a bit better it’s not exactly the leap we were all used to (ps2 to ps3). However I get it, there’s so many online communities that would be split up if they only made games for newer consoles. My guess is with gta6 probably being current gen only, that will drive up demand and hopefully more game companies take the leap and completely switch to new console. This isn’t a new phenomenon though, remember cod was releasing on old gen for years after last gen came out.

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SepticKnave39 t1_iybwqqd wrote

Yeah absolutely, just saying it hurts even more so that even those that have wanted to upgrade (and have had the money), haven't been able to. It's putting a delay on top of the normal buffer zone they 'have' to provide. And it's potentially going to delay a tech leap (not the same kind as PS1 to PS2 but still), unless Microsoft/Sony just say "fuck it, it's time to make people upgrade or get left behind".

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InitialOutcome3 t1_iybwywh wrote

I think them saying fuck it is a few years away unfortunately. Esp because of that thing that happened in 2020 lol. It delayed so much progress. We’re getting on track now I believe but yeah the lack of consoles is just messing with everything.

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AceoftheAEUG t1_iybptmp wrote

That's because those were hard switches, they intended to immediately stop production on the older consoles. They've been doing the swap over to the new gen as a soft swap and producing new games still on the last gen so they need most games to be able to run on it. As they stop producing for the older gen they'll have more time to explore the possibilities of the new limits.

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