lnfinity OP t1_jcc1ec3 wrote
Reply to comment by Ichthyologist in He will follow his best friend anywhere by lnfinity
I bet they weren't happy when their calves were separated from them. What happened to the male calves who would never produce milk?
Academic_Gazelle_340 t1_jcc453y wrote
He ran a dairy farm (where calves are taken from the parents and the cows are exploited and abused) yet he has the nerve to call the cows the assholes for becoming more hostile and aggressive over protecting their calves...
Ichthyologist t1_jcc6v24 wrote
These cows were NOT abused. I get where you're coming from, I do. But you don't know, so don't claim that you do.
I'm a conservation biologist and a vegetarian and I worked on that farm as a teen. They were treated as well as household pets.
You don't get to say I've got the "nerve" when you're making sweeping generalizations yourself.
Academic_Gazelle_340 t1_jcc7u2q wrote
What happened to all the male cows who could not produce milk?
How did cows become pregnant in the first place?
You can claim and shout that they weren't abused all you like if that helps convince yourself. Abuse is inherent in the industry.
edit: Notice how this user refused to answer any of these very simple questions while continuing to shout "iTz nOt AbUsE!".
Yep, very convincing.
Ichthyologist t1_jcc9g31 wrote
You think grazing animals in the wild aren't pregnant every year? You think AI is abuse? This is why you get kickback from society. You have no room for gray in your black and white world.
Academic_Gazelle_340 t1_jcclr4h wrote
> You don't think grazing animals in the wild aren't pregnant every year
How does this justify forcefully inseminating them (aka raping them) as a human?
> You have no room for gray in your black and white world.
Correct. I will not compromise when it comes to needlessly violently exploiting and abusing innocent animals for pleasure. There is no room for that form of 'grey' in my world.
Abusing and exploiting animals for pleasure is not necessary. This is a simple fact that also does not concern itself with making room for "gray".
> This is why you get kickback from society.
Nope. It's because these simple facts challenge consumer behaviors and pleasures that people's egos are attached to.
Exposure to this information over time will weaken the ego so these people can accept these simple facts and this trend is already observable on this platform. There is far less "kickback" from society the more educated society becomes on this topic and the information is spreadsing. The same exact dynamic also played out for the public's perception of cannabis. The masses were propagandized against it for ages and also "kickbacked" in the face of simple facts on the topic. Facts are facts, however. The ego can only try to block out facts for so long before eventually realizing the fact wasn't ever the problem, but the ego's attachment to the topic at hand.
Ichthyologist t1_jcctmvb wrote
Right. So it's not worth having a debate with you.
Academic_Gazelle_340 t1_jchmfum wrote
Because there is no debate to be had.
Sorry not sorry it offended your fragile ego to discover abusing and exploiting animals is not necessary. Simple facts do not concern themselves with the 'debates' of fragile egos.
edit: I love how you also refused to answer the most simple of questions in this thread (posed by different users) which would reveal whether or not those cows were treated well. Keep trying to convince yourself though.
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