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VincentVancalbergh t1_iw2ab7d wrote

Reply to comment by Minginton in What not to do by a-filipino

As a layman, what do you "do" halfway though? Isn't it all in the jump and the rest is "we'll see where/how we end up"?

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d4v3thund3r t1_iw2bkgu wrote

Speaking from someone who has attempted a very similar looking maneuver in the past (because backflips are a pretty terrifying concept to me), I think you have to tuck your legs once spinning. At least that's what I've observed others doing and it seems to work for them. But opening up/flattening out mid-spin kills most of the inertia you had/would have had.

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czar_el t1_iw2iazu wrote

You have to flip both your arms and legs backwards during the jump. You see the pros pinwheel their arms and jackknife their legs, each of which adds the force of that extra muscle movement and the mass of the limbs to the rotation and speeds it up. You also tuck them at the same time, which speeds rotation in the way that figure skaters doing a stationary spin do. This girl just left her limbs where they were when she jumped, so instead of their mass adding to the spin and moving the mass inward like a spinning figure skater, her core mass was essentially "dragging" the limbs, which slowed her overall rotation down.

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Elbradamontes t1_iw2sy0v wrote

It’s the throwing your head back. The trick, for noobs, is to bring your knees up and not throw your head back. Bring your feet over your head not your head under your feet.

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czar_el t1_iw2vx6z wrote

Yup, that's part of the "bring limbs closer into the center like a figure skater" advice. The head and core form the center of mass when tucked together, and whipping the arms back then pulling in as you whip the legs and jacknife them in towards the core adds extra rotation to that center of mass. When the head is thrown back away from the core and the limbs drag, there's no center and no added rotation.

The head is one of the heaviest parts of the body, so it's definitely worth pointing out, thanks.

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Minginton t1_iw2ag12 wrote

Apparently, this jump

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VincentVancalbergh t1_iw2aiu0 wrote

This doesn't help me at all.

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Minginton t1_iw2an1m wrote

It shouldn't help, it should warn you off doing things 'halfway'.

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VincentVancalbergh t1_iw2atai wrote

How should she have done it to qualify as "whole way"?

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Minginton t1_iw2avjq wrote

Not completely give up halfway

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VincentVancalbergh t1_iw2ay3z wrote

Man, if you don't know what you're talking about, please start with that.

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Minginton t1_iw2be1f wrote

I am completely confident I know what I am talking about. You seem to be making a a halfway attempt at asking a question. You gave up halfway through and tried to change the course of dialogue. You bailed out 'halfway' . Of you'd like to know why I commented the way I did, ask that without being a dick.

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VincentVancalbergh t1_iw2by8k wrote

I would posit you're the one being the dick here. Making fun of post this woman trying something and failing and of me trying to drag something useful out of you.

So far you still haven't shown to know anything more than me.

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Minginton t1_iw2cn9l wrote

Perhaps. I may have misinterpreted your initial reply wrong. If so I apologize. Here ya go, then.

As a beginner, she had the idea right but didn't use her arms to create momentum after her dismount and then extend. After than she didn't use her stomach muscles to snap back from that extension to bring her legs around underneath her. She just kinda threw her head back and expected gravity to do it's thing. And it did. Gravity will always bring you down. Like I said, first half attempt was made. No second half . Half an attempt

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