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AlmostButNotQuit t1_j19dktf wrote

Reply to comment by Jackalodeath in City of Tears by voithos

How did I miss that? I must've breezed by her until I'd gotten crystal heart or something. :(

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Jackalodeath t1_j19s8pd wrote

Apparently something specific triggers it; but I didn't know what. If that "event" doesn't happen, neither does the "problem." I'll spoiler it since there's no doubt some newer folks around this post; according to the wiki:

>!She begins showing signs of infection after defeating Soul Master - ergo learning the Desolate Dive spell. When I visited her, she outright attacked me, which apparently happens after getting the spell and the Crystal Heart.!<

How in the world people beat the game without doing those is beyond me, but someone figured it out.

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kittehsfureva t1_j19yuub wrote

Can you? I know that the Crystal is needed to get double jump, and I was pretty sure that was needed for all of the endings.

But maybe it is not. You certainly could not >!fight radiance!<.

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fghjconner t1_j1a8lpj wrote

The any% speedrun doesn't get >!wings!<. They do get Crystal, though I think they only need that for >!acid skip!<, so you could probably just get >!Isma's tear!< instead.

Edit: Actually, getting into >!Isma's grove!< requires Crystal as well, iirc. Luckily, the only thing it's really used for is getting to >!Lurian!<, who you can access through >!a shade gate!< as well. I think it is actually doable, if unlikely.

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kittehsfureva t1_j1ayuvv wrote

Interesting. I'm rather certain >!wings are required to get the shadow cloak though. I remember there being some pretty hard gated double jump parts to get to the second Hornet encounter.!< It has been some time though I may be misremembering.

Fun to think about though, that little bug is such a tragic part of the game and a playthrough dedicated to saving her would be great.

I have not watched any speed runs of the game, I bet it would be fun.

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fghjconner t1_j1azfxn wrote

Oh right, forgot about those jumps. >!You actually can pogo on a primal aspid to get up there, and I've even seen a youtuber do that on their first run. It's not something most people will probably try though.!<

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Jackalodeath t1_j1aa08k wrote

The first "event" is the important one it seems; the second doesn't advance it otherwise.

After I got to a certain point I got nosey if I completed stuff in the right order and found all sorts of tips and tricks that would've been great to know when I got to em. Like Nail bouncing off spikes/mobs and "kiting" the second Soul Warrior by using Mantis Claw 'cause he only summons 25 adds-_-

I did the latter the hard way by getting Quick Slash and the Nail Art charge reduction first. The bouncing should've been obvious but I'm a bit denser than most.

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kittehsfureva t1_j1aut9v wrote

First playthrough, I did not understand the power of the spike pogo. That is, until >!the white palace, where you damn well better learn it quick!<.

On my second playthrough, I was surprised how much quicker you could breeze through the game with pogo sticking. Especially when you rushed getting >!mark of pride and quick nail.!<

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