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MashMayoru t1_j1ney8z wrote

Reply to comment by klogg4 in I am not an audiophile, so I wonder if I'm in the wrong here. by PraviPero

The most obvious measurement to how good a headphone is, is obviously enjoyment, the other not so obvious measurement is how "realistic" it sounds.

I think it's safe to say that anyone with ears can tell me a guitar sounds more real on any of the flagships I mentioned vs hd650, for a multitude of reasons from detail to tonality to resonance to decay.

If you recorded a guitar heard it live, then heard it played back it's easy to say which one sounds more real.

It's the difference between a synth piano vs Steinway grand, if you choose that the Steinway doesn't sound like what "piano" is supposed to sound to you, and it's colored, then so be it. Don't mind the Craftsmanship and careful tuning put into modern grands.

If Sennheiser truly believed hd650 was the least flawed possible then there would be no point for their hd800, he1, Orpheus.

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klogg4 t1_j1oox34 wrote

I know what you're trying to say because highly praised headphones (including mid-fi) often play percussive sounds sharper and with more attack than HD6** series does, thus the initial feel of realism is higher. That's why I said about AKG K612 because they have the same characteristic - you would call them more realistic because they're overall closer to what you love to hear in TOTL than HD650 is.

Because, let me repeat that once again, - you can't really compare HD6xx to anything else because they have different approach to the sound comparing to the most other headphones (the only real contender is Shure SRH1840 I believe). It's not about their price, they really have different tuning. The tuning that lets you raise high shelf after 6 khz for "less muddiness" and be with it because of how linear is the treble. It's about balance. They have the least flaws not because they hit a lot of things right but because there're not many things that they do wrong. It's a coincidence that the only area where this approach pays off heavily is the vocals, and the others are just "meh" until you get used (after higher-end headphones as well).

>If Sennheiser truly believed hd650 was the least flawed possible then there would be no point for their hd800, he1, Orpheus.

You don't seem to understand what "flaw" is. And yes, HD800 is a more flawed phone than HD650. It's flawed for a purpose, like almost whole hi-end is.

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MashMayoru t1_j1pdzio wrote

Whatever u say man, I like my bass guitar sound like proper bass guitar not some muddy mess but if you insist the mud is the way to go then feel free ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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klogg4 t1_j1phjtg wrote

Not a huge problem for guys who have access to r/oratory1990 ;)

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DepressMyCNS t1_j1pmldx wrote

The k612 is a $200 headphone? You honestly think that sounds the same as a set costing several thousands? Man, I almost wish I had your ears, could save myself some money. I'll take having good ears and being able to tell what real quality is though. You seem to just want to justify your purchase and shit on others. Maybe it's time to put the keyboard away and go listen to some music!

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klogg4 t1_j1pn1ym wrote

I wasn't saying that they sound the same, but I'm too tired to argue.

One question - why do you think it's me who justifies any purchases and not you? The term "justifying purchase" works both ways, that's why it's stupid by design and grown people don't use it in discussions.

Also, people who talk about ears right from the start are almost guaranteed to not have any. That's my personal experience.

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