perestroika12 t1_izh7fq3 wrote on December 9, 2022 at 2:08 AM

The only hard evidence we have of the sea peoples is from Egyptian sources. It depicts a barbarian sea faring group. It’s extremely unlikely (read: impossible) that they were from any kind of land locked area. There’s also no evidence that Northern Europe or Central Europe had developed sailing to the level of sophistication needed.

Most historians see the sea peoples as a coalition of raiders strongly backed by Greeks and Mediterranean people.

CertainDeer2027 t1_izi0koh wrote on December 9, 2022 at 6:27 AM

>There’s also no evidence that Northern Europe or Central Europe had developed sailing to the level of sophistication needed.

That is such nonsense. People in Bronze Age Scandinavia, the British Isles and Northern Spain were all seafaring people. Especially in Scandinavia, where they had ships decorating almost every rock art piece one can encounter from those days, had burials in ships, etc.

The Tollense Valley Battle shows that large scale conflict existed in Northern Europe.

Mercenaries from the North went South to gain riches fighting (that's why there's many objects of Northern origin in the Mediterranean and Mediterranean objects as far as modern day England, all in the Bronze Age. Plus, people DID carry Tin from England as far as Cyprus) and then returned home, this is not only attested by material and genetic evidence, but also sources that immediately followed the Greek "Dark Ages".

All this together, I don't see why you see it as "impossible" that the oh-so poor and unsophisticated (/s) Northern and Central Europeans couldn't been part of the Sea Peoples coallition. Especially when the depictions of the horned warriors from Medinet Habu match the various rock art depictions and decorated Menhirs from Scandinavia to Spain and even in Sardinia.

You seem terribly biased on this subject.

Gideonn1021 OP t1_izhew84 wrote on December 9, 2022 at 3:07 AM

Or worse, the Sicilians...

Thank you though I saw it was said that the sea people may have just straight up been propoganda from Ramses II? You also make a good point that the Europeans would not have developed the advancements in sailing needed that would thrive in open water, much less as a formidable raiding force

perestroika12 t1_izhf61q wrote on December 9, 2022 at 3:09 AM

Propaganda only works if there’s truth hidden somewhere. It’s unlikely it was completely made up. It’s also not worth putting on a temple unless it’s somewhat agreed that these people were a serious threat.

Imagine Trajan making a column and it’s just 90% bs. Would not fly.

Gideonn1021 OP t1_izhgye1 wrote on December 9, 2022 at 3:23 AM

That is a good point, especially in a temple I imagine lying about someone's deeds there would be unacceptable, unfortunately sifting through the simple truth and the whole truth of the matter is the difficult part!