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socialist_frzn_milk t1_jae73pc wrote

Reply to comment by homefone in A renewed push to legalize ‘medical aid in dying’ by d5dq

Oh hey, it’s the same argument people use to argue against reproductive choice. No one has argued that every terminally ill person wants to die, and personally, I’d love to see some statistics on your assertion that assisted suicide will pressure people into killing themselves.

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homefone t1_jaee5xd wrote

> Oh hey, it’s the same argument people use to argue against reproductive choice.

This is a red herring, and anyways, I support abortion rights.

>No one has argued that every terminally ill person wants to die

I didn't argue that either. I argued that the availability of euthanasia to the terminally ill will encourage people to take that choice, regardless of whether they want to or not.

>I’d love to see some statistics on your assertion that assisted suicide will pressure people into killing themselves.

You can't poll the terminally ill or dead.

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socialist_frzn_milk t1_jaeffc0 wrote

You argued that the availability of assisted suicide will cause more people to commit suicide while completely ignoring that these are not always the only options. “Dignity” is whatever a terminally ill patient decides it is, and if it’s “put a needle in my arm while I am surrounded by family and friends and let me go to sleep peacefully”, that is absolutely their right and you have no business taking it from them.

Oh, and it turns out you don’t have to poll the terminally ill or dead to know that you’re talking out of your ass, because the NIH already says you’re wrong. This study shows there was absolutely no statistically higher risk of disproportionate effect on “at risk” groups: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2652799/

Seems to me that you’re trying real hard not to say “But it makes me feel icky!”

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homefone t1_jaegauh wrote

>that is absolutely their right and you have no business taking it from them.

No it isn't.

>Oh, and it turns out you don’t have to poll the terminally ill or dead to know that you’re talking out of your ass, because the NIH already says you’re wrong: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2652799/

This analysis concerns whether racial minorities and other "vulnerable groups" are targeted for euthanasia. That's not I've been talking about.

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socialist_frzn_milk t1_jaeiene wrote

In order for your argument to make any sense you would HAVE to be talking about at-risk groups, because otherwise you WOULD be talking out of your ass and there’d be no point continuing this.

And “No it isn’t” is something a child says when they’ve lost the argument. It IS a right, and you do not get to strip someone of their dignity because you don’t agree with their medical choices.

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homefone t1_jaejgxw wrote

>HAVE to be talking about at-risk groups

No.

>It IS a right, and you do not get to strip someone of their dignity because you don’t agree with their medical choices.

I don't think it's a medical choice, I think it's killing oneself. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. If you're saying it's a right, you need to show that it's a right.

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socialist_frzn_milk t1_jaejzgm wrote

End-of-life decisions are medical decisions. You don’t get to pretend that they’re not. And since you are not interested in arguing like an adult, I’m about finished wasting my time.

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