Submitted by [deleted] t3_126xb8r in massachusetts
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Submitted by [deleted] t3_126xb8r in massachusetts
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Thank you for taking the time for reading the bill and though our opinions differ I'm thankful you took the time.
Edit: I wanted to go further into depth to why this restrict act is dangerous, first lets examine the quote
"To authorize the Secretary of Commerce to review and prohibit certain transactions between persons in the United States and foreign adversaries, and for other purposes."
This is the first sentence into the bill and there are multiple concerning factors that we must talk about. Firstly, The review of certain transactions between persons in the US and foreign adversaries and then the prohibition of said information.
Review: The review of information has seemingly no limit to the power it holds to access almost all information that is found on the internet or is powered by the internet,
example: (quote from "section 3. Addressing information and communication technology products and services that pose undue or unacceptable risk.")
"In general.—The Secretary, in consultation with the relevant executive department and agency heads, is authorized to and shall take action to identify, deter, disrupt, prevent, prohibit, investigate, or otherwise mitigate, including by negotiating, entering into, or imposing, and enforcing any mitigation measure to address any risk arising from any covered transaction by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States that the Secretary determines—
(1) poses an undue or unacceptable risk of—
(A) sabotage or subversion of the design, integrity, manufacturing, production, distribution, installation, operation, or maintenance of information and communications technology products and services in the United States;
(B) catastrophic effects on the security or resilience of the critical infrastructure or digital economy of the United States;
(C) interfering in, or altering the result or reported result of a Federal election, as determined in coordination with the Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, the Secretary of Treasury, and the Federal Election Commission; or
(D) coercive or criminal activities by a foreign adversary that are designed to undermine democratic processes and institutions or steer policy and regulatory decisions in favor of the strategic objectives of a foreign adversary to the detriment of the national security of the United States, as determined in coordination with the Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, the Secretary of Treasury, and the Federal Election Commission; or
(2) otherwise poses an undue or unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States or the safety of United States persons."
This quote (sorry for the text wall I dont want to make it seem I am taking things out of context or for lack of better words clip champing), are the reasons given that by the bill why the SoC would be given the power instated by the bill, the main issues reside in the portions I highlighted, frankly the main issue is the fact that the clauses in the bill are too vague and give the US jurisdiction over all information it deems a "Undue or unacceptable risk". Famous in the history of the united states, it is not afraid to lie for its own benefits i.e War in Iraq, Manifest Destiny, etc
Prohibition: This bill gives access to anything that even involves the internet to the government and SoC, Example Quotes taken from section 5:
"any software, hardware, or any other product or service integral to data hosting or computing service that uses, processes, or retains, or is expected to use, process, or retain, sensitive personal data with respect to greater than 1,000,000 persons in the United States at any point during the year period preceding the date on which the covered transaction is referred to the Secretary for review or the Secretary initiates review of the covered transaction, including— (A) internet hosting services; (B) cloud-based or distributed computing and data storage; (C) machine learning, predictive analytics, and data science products and services, including those involving the provision of services to assist a party utilize, manage, or maintain open-source software; (D) managed services; and (E) content delivery services;"
"software designed or used primarily for connecting with and communicating via the internet that is in use by greater than 1,000,000 persons in the United States at any point during the year period preceding the date on which the covered transaction is referred to the Secretary for review or the Secretary initiates review of the covered transaction, including—"
(A) desktop applications;
(B) mobile applications;
(C) gaming applications;
(D) payment applications; or
(E) web-based applications; or
(7) information and communications technology products and services integral to—
(A) artificial intelligence and machine learning;
(B) quantum key distribution;
(C) quantum communications;
(D) quantum computing;
(E) post-quantum cryptography;
(F) autonomous systems;
(G) advanced robotics;
(H) biotechnology;
(I) synthetic biology;
(J) computational biology; and
(K) e-commerce technology and services, including any electronic techniques for accomplishing business transactions, online retail, internet-enabled logistics, internet-enabled payment technology, and online marketplaces.** "
Again sorry for the text wall, But this is a absurd amount of access to again "Undue or unacceptable risk", this would allow the US and SoC (who isn't even a democratic elected position of the United States Government) to censor information and applications it doesn't like. Right the gaze is on tiktok but after tiktok what else would be banned? there is no limit to the power that the bill presents,
thank you everyone for reading.
Yeah I mean if I own d TikTok stock I'd be making crazy ass TikTok videos too
Dude gets his post removed for misinformation then posts the exact same misinformation again, this time with a hysterical 1984 reference.
I love seeing all these instant legal scholars freaking out about fairly common legislative language because they saw an "influencer" scare them on TikTok while doing funny lip-sync dances.
you don’t need a degree to acknowledge the vagueness inn language
> you don’t need a degree to acknowledge the vagueness inn language
No, but a general comprehension of spelling and grammar helps.
But in all seriousness, this is how the federal code basically works. Very simply put, Congress enables the federal government to do something, and leaves the details up to the executive branch to carry out the specifics. Look up any bill currently pending in Congress and you'll find very similar language.
I'll believe there's an issue when credible constitutional scholars say so; not when someone who is about to lose their income from making funny filtered videos on a dangerous platform scares me into believing it.
The bill is only restricting contact with foreign adversary's not any free speech in this country,am I right ,no?yes?
Not necessarily due to the wording of the bill as there are multiple reasons for them to access information or data not just involving foreign adversaries
What info will they try to access
Data they're probably already scraping through PATRIOT act era legislation.
If this issue is so important to you why don't you provide a summary?
TL;dr TL;dw
They did in the comments. But even that was TLDR.
You need to take the tinfoil hat off. You are sounding like a flat Earther.
I'm curious so what is the difference between this bill and what the NSA and CIA and FBI and DEA and State Police already do?
Probably taken down because it has nothing to do specifically with Massachusetts.
Ban TikTok and any other Chinese or Russian crap!
zumera t1_jebiw4h wrote
A lot of wild claims in that TikTok. The bill may be overly broad, but there's "overly broad," and then there's "the government can go through your Insta messages and censor them and they'll be watching the cameras in your home." Unlike what that dude really really wants us to believe, that is 100% hyperbole based on my reading of the bill. Willing to be proven wrong. I may think TikTok is an abhorrence that should be banned for the benefit of humanity, but the US government is no angel.
Will the TikTokers do their own research, though? No, they'll just take what this guy says as gospel truth.