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bostonbananarama t1_itvqh41 wrote

Reply to comment by Hilarias_Glucose_Cup in There is no compromise with election deniers. And that’s the problem. by Sinman1982

> It is not really a matter of which side is to blame or who is right or wrong.

One side has advanced clearly fabricated claims and then attempted a coup. It truly is a matter of one side being wrong.

> If you feel like you hold some kind of moral righteousness over people due to the points above then fine, you are a truly good person and the people who disagree with you are really bad. Enjoy your reddit victory.

Never said anything like this, you're just deflecting at this point.

> All I seek to point out is that maybe, framing it as moral superiority

Haven't done this.

> when you don't like the behavior and then dismissing the behavior when the "right side" engages in it might actually be part of the reason why these populist movements sometimes gain momentum. \

WTF are you going on about? Behavior I don't like? They're not wearing white after Labor Day or putting pineapple on a pizza, they're trying to violently overthrow the government and install a Christian Authoritarian government. I'd say you're an idiot but you know precisely what you're doing and it's disgusting.

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Hilarias_Glucose_Cup t1_itvs88n wrote

ok, sorry, didn't know i was dealing with a progressive QANON type. moving along.

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techiemikey t1_itzgixz wrote

No offense...but what part do you believe was QANON-esque there?

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Hilarias_Glucose_Cup t1_itzu0kl wrote

Generally, anytime I am dealing with people from either side of the political aisle, I judge their commentary based on their level rigidity and their impression of the scale of the problem. I'm basically trying to determine whether they come at problems from the perspective of Religion/Moral Righteousness or Pragmatism.

In this case, I readily admit there is a population of people who can be bucketed as election deniers but the scale and impact these people have is such that they are best categorized as a small level concern. The poster above is elevating their scale to such that they are a large enough threat to equate to overthrowing the government and installing an authoritarian government. No serious person thinks this is reasonable, the same way that its not reasonable to think the Biden admin is going to force us into a communist government. When you realize you are dealing with people that give too much weight to nonsense ideas, it is just time to cut your losses. They exist on the extreme edges of conservative and progressive viewpoints and when you dig into their mindsets, they really are not very different.

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techiemikey t1_iu00hcc wrote

> No serious person thinks this is reasonable

Can you clarify what you mean by "no serious person thinks this is reasonable?" Because if "by serious" you mean "people who should be taken seriously" I agree. But people who are in position to win their election believe this, and unfortunately that means we have to take that risk seriously. As a currently example Kari Lake is running for Governor of Arizona, "I will win and I'll accept that result" to the question of "If you lose, will you accept the result", and she currently leads by 11 points in polling. Also, if she wins, she will be involved int he election certification process in 2024. Why should we not take this person seriously?

>The poster above is elevating their scale to such that they are a large enough threat to equate to overthrowing the government and installing an authoritarian government.

Two things: first, you realize that was attempted, right? The over throwing of the government?

Also, are you aware that there are members of congress saying things like “We need to be the party of nationalism and I’m a Christian, and I say it proudly, we should be Christian Nationalists.”?

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Hilarias_Glucose_Cup t1_iu0chu3 wrote

I was referencing the fact that the chance of an authoritarian government in the US is very slim, to the point that it is not worth worrying about regardless of whether a small handful of loons get elected. We have them on both sides of the House right now and they generally don't have any real power aside from being useful idiots to the media.

Regarding the attempted overthrow - you are right, there was an attempt. Learn a lesson from it - keep giving these movements oxygen by pushing an us against them ideology, binary thought on every issue, and picking away at the trust of our institutions and we will have to deal with some of the stuff you are concerned about. Instead of continuing to stoke divide, start being more pragmatic, look to strengthen trust in institutions and things will get better.

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