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[deleted] t1_j4zq21h wrote

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somegridplayer t1_j4zs7bj wrote

A couple huge lakes, some mountains, and the Hudson. The divide between MA/VT and NY are natural.

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Istarien t1_j51ke0w wrote

I grew up in Western NY and now live in MA, and no. They are not the same. If, by "upstate," you mean the capital district, that might be a different thing. I haven't spent enough time in Albany's immediate environs to know what it's like.

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