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MysteriousTelephone t1_jedtqpt wrote

To be fair, it did seem weird that most jobs stopped requiring us to wear masks a year ago, but when I see the BTS of a movie being made, everyone is forced to wear them.

Jeez, it’s 2023, you can go to a nightclub with a few hundred sweaty people, it’s time to end all COVID restrictions.

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eschenfelder t1_jedvnqn wrote

Loosing your actor, dp or so on a shooting day costs a lot of money.

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MysteriousTelephone t1_jedw39n wrote

Sure, and a year ago I’d have agreed.

We’re now at a point where there’s no requirement to isolate, and symptoms are often so small they’re barely noticeable. Most workplaces outside of healthcare have accepted that it’s ok to come to work if you have it.

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charlesdexterward t1_jeeagps wrote

They absolutely have not. My workplace still makes you isolate if you have Covid and we’re food service. Not an industry known for sending someone home if they’re sick.

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MysteriousTelephone t1_jeebi8z wrote

That’s crazy! I’m in food production, and the official company stance as of May 22 is “If you feel well enough to work, you’re fine. If you’re COVID positive, wear a mask if you want to.”

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littlebiped t1_jeecqxt wrote

Being asked to come into work when you’re covid positive is insane to me

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Gumboy52 t1_jeektoz wrote

There’s no cure for America Brain

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sicklyslick t1_jefgldk wrote

Doesn't help that COVID, vaccine, and masks are so divisive in America that the workers can't even agree on their own protection.

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MachineCode86 t1_jeeidep wrote

I forgot that something being an official company stance means that it is always a good idea, the right way to go about something and will always be based on what’s best for the safety and wellbeing of its employees rather than its profit margins…

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crome66 t1_jeenyhv wrote

Well that makes me incredibly uncomfortable

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sicklyslick t1_jefgcg4 wrote

Yes because every human being will have the same reaction to COVID, which is "symptom so small they're barely noticable".

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MysteriousTelephone t1_jefi1sg wrote

The vast majority, yes.

It’s like how when you go to buy gloves, each glove has 5 fingers. It’s not saying that people who don’t have 5 fingers don’t exist, just that for the majority, it works.

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Midnight_Oil_ t1_jeeljgg wrote

Most jobs don't also carry tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars in delays if someone goes out sick.

Your star is out sick, your DP, or even your director, and you're boned and burning money.

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VHwrites t1_jef5egy wrote

Thats why studio's started requiring COVID protocols in 2020. But COVID compliance costs are generally higher than delays--so the return to work agreement is actually a Union initiative to preserve those protections.

Generally, Vaccination mandate was wanted by the AMPTP (Studios) while testing and masking and a number of other burdens were exclusively by unions who have drawn out those requests for 2 years after vaccines were available to try and secure more long term gains. Because a 40% increase in labor was never sustainable, no long term agreement was ever reached. This is happening now because the studios are out of money (Some desperately so, WB/Disney) and unions are now above 50% unemployment.

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ImADuckOnTuesdays t1_jegcsc5 wrote

How would COVID compliance be more expensive? Its a mask and a cheap PCR test.

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VHwrites t1_jegm8k6 wrote

COVID compliance was way more than testing and masks.

But first, PCR tests are not cheap. Antigen/Rapid tests are fairly cheap but were only approved by unions last summer--and only for a narrow set of low budget productions. Generally, a PCR test costs $150--$200 depending on the vendor/region and availability of labs. The mandated testing frequency of a normal sized union crew results in about 400 tests a week so that low end estimate is 60k a week for the swab & lab alone.

That's also just for the core crew. If you've got 50 extras working for one day, you've got another 50 tests, and 50 to 100 pre-employment tests (depending on your local situation) and paying them for their time to show up for the tests.

And that's just the cost of testing. You also need to hire staff to administer testing, enforce compliance, and sanitize. Add 1k each week for each production assistant. Then another 1500-2000 for each Admin, Supervisor, and Manager. It's easy to hit 100k a week for COVID department alone between testing, labor, and supplies. 5 Weeks of Prep with a 6 week shoot is a minimum of a million dollar COVID budget.

The first iteration of the RTW agreement also included a stipend for union members who tested. So add another $200 fee for every test, every crew member higher than a production assistant who tested. Subsequent deals reduced that to a fee for pre-employment testing only--which is more reasonable but still quite costly as you are adding another 200-300 days of labor across your production.

Then there's a dozen other issues and tangents that cost money. Like needing more hair and makeup artists, and more trailers for them to work in in order to maintain social distancing. Or, needing to budget more time for fewer workers to prepare cast in limited space. More drivers to transport fewer cast & crew members per van. Similar issue with locations, three days to prep, shoot, and wrap a location turned into 4 days to sanitize, prep, shoot, and wrap. There was also a practice of carrying more staff so that if one got quarantined or had inconclusive results you still had the minimum number for each department to operate.

To give you an idea of how complicated it all is: A big issue for awhile was catering. The longstanding Union agreements required lunch breaks to give all members equal access to catering facilities for the break period. Because social distancing requirements made "equal access" impossible, nearly every union member was also being paid penalties for not having a 'proper' break. Many productions converted to walking/rolling lunches. This mostly ended with the availability of vaccines (and union members needing a real break more than the penalty dollars).

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ImADuckOnTuesdays t1_jegmgas wrote

Thanks for this super detailed answer. Really interesting stuff!

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kellie0105 t1_jegqhvk wrote

I also want to add. Bigger productions were actually paying people to stay off other sets and isolate at home. One movie guaranteed me at least 6 days on set (I’m in the union), ended up offering me 11 but I worked 10, which is a lot for me, but they had also told casting to not book me on anything else. I knew of movies that were paying BG to isolate at home for 2 days, test, isolate again for 2 days, test, isolate for 2 days and then work. They were getting like 6 days of pay for that one day of work. And even low budget movies can be millions of dollars (I usually work low budget straight to tv movies). One movie I was booked on got cancelled and it got delayed for over a year because the facilities they were using had melted. That means all of these workers are SOL because it’s not like another movie can fit in during the cancelled time. There was also an entirely new set of workers now hired just to deal with the covid stuff (in addition to what the other poster said), we had a covid compliance officer who’s job it was to walk around with a 6’ stick and make sure everyone was keeping the proper distance. That’s it, that was their entire job.

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seamustheseagull t1_jee4e3u wrote

There's a LOT of PR involvement in all of this kind of stuff and images heavily edited or excluded if the PR guys think it might get a bad reaction. Not even masks, even down to the balance of individuals, or how the layout might appear - e.g. imagine a picture where you have an all-white crew standing around giving directions to a black actor who's on his knees.

Absolutely absurd dumb shit that only idiots would make a drama about. But in Hollywood they try to be meticulous about this stuff.

So likewise with maintaining the use of masks and vaccines well beyond the point of necessity. The concern is all about whether pictures and reports of people not wearing masks will reflect badly on the industry, not whether it's necessary.

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rzalexander t1_jeeouc0 wrote

You can still catch Covid at that nightclub. It’s just not as likely to kill you anymore.

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AlanMorlock t1_jeev0b4 wrote

Also, film crews just have more leverage to demand protections than bartenders and waiters.

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Randym1982 t1_jeh4e7s wrote

I'm not going to say COVID restrictions are good. But getting COVID (even a mild Omicron case), still suck ass. 0/10 experience.

Generally though, if they can protect their main stars and other people in charge to keep delays down. Then I think it's a smart move.

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Impressive-Potato t1_jedw93l wrote

Everyone on a film set is still tested for Covid. People actually adjust their lifestyles inorder to work, so no most of the people are not going to the nightclub with hundreds of other people because it could cost them some work

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MysteriousTelephone t1_jedwlf9 wrote

Name any other profession other than healthcare where you have to be Covid tested regularly?

Because it’s weird that it’s only “nurses and actors”.

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SamBrico246 t1_jeem51j wrote

I'm thinking maybe sports?

Not sure if they are, but its the only other career that springs to mind where there's huge production resources dependent on one person being healthy to perform on a specific day.

Can't be done remotely, or rescheduled.

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VHwrites t1_jef2sc9 wrote

No COVID protocols were required by insurance because production insurance never covered COVID related delays.

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MysteriousTelephone t1_jedxmll wrote

And in 2021 that was a serious concern, but the disease has mutated to a point where it is basically “The Sniffles” for most people. And while it still could take an actor off work for a week, it’s now a lot lower risk than injury etc.

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littlebiped t1_jeed6l9 wrote

Literally just last night I was reading about how Bill Murray had to be replaced by Steve Carell for Asteroid City because he caught covid in 2022, it’s not a week of work it’s more like a month at minimum and that’s if the disease doesn’t fuck you up due to severity + age + comorbidities + post infection recovery. It’s a nice balm to think it’s just a few days of sneezing but it still is a clusterfuck of a thing to catch for most people

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youdidanaughty t1_jeffyh5 wrote

I am literally sitting here with COVID induced pneumonia so F you! Covid is NOT over. I'm sick of this country where MONEY is more important than peoples LIVES.

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APiousCultist t1_jefjh0k wrote

> Covid is NOT over

Covid will never be over. In the same way that the flu was never over.

As much as long covid is still fucking up people's lives, unless you want people masked up and socially distanced for the rest of human civilisation's time on this earth you do need to have a return to some version of normalcy on some level at some point.

This isn't a problem with some simple solution that people are too weak-willed to stick to. In a thousand years, people will still be getting some version of COVID-19. The only thing we can do is invest in ventillation in buildings and better attitude towards sickness and screening so that its harder for disease outbreaks to spread. Expecting people a decade from now to still avoid social gatherings is unrealistic.

That does mean people are gonna have their lives ruined by stuff like LC-induced CFS, pneumonia, neurological and heart issues, or even die as a result of the infection itself (not to mention the heartbreaking situation for immuno-suppressed people). To some degree that already happens with the flu. But short of shutting down civilisation permanently and returns to nomadic hunter-gathers, it's not a problem that can just be avoided if we went back in lockdown for another year.

Understanding that strict covid-protocols can't last forever does not have to mean indifference to the problem.

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Gabagool1987 t1_jefn4qg wrote

What do you want us to do? Vaccines don't work. Lockdowns don't work. It's just a part of our life now.

Society has to function. Not even China could do lockdowns forever and they just gave up.

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