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pahnzoh t1_jde58j2 wrote

Reply to comment by NewEnglandBlueberry in A changing of the guard in Croydon, but school funding debate continues to simmer by NewEnglandBlueberry

More like, don't tread on me, you don't own me so stop using the state to take from me without my consent. Not that hard to understand.

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NewEnglandBlueberry OP t1_jde7igb wrote

You get taxed to pay for the services that we as a community agreed we wanted. It's compulsive because if it's not some people will use the services without paying. If you don't like it, you are free to leave our community. Every club has it's dues and those who cheat are not welcome.

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pahnzoh t1_jde85iw wrote

Most people don't vote.

Why don't you leave?

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Crepe_Cod t1_jdeb2ie wrote

Most people do vote. *Not enough" people vote, but voter turnout is consistently over 50% in NH.

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pahnzoh t1_jdeb8a3 wrote

That's of registered voters in some elections. Of the total humans, no.

That wasn't really my point though.

Might does not make right.

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Crepe_Cod t1_jded633 wrote

It's not might? It's a democratic process. Through a democratic process, it was decided that if you live in our society you have a responsibility to help maintain and advance our society. Pretty much the base concept of civilization. Society prospers through collective investment. Society crumbles through individualism. The idea that any but a handful of people would be better off in an ideal Libertarian society is laughable. It's basically a fast-track to modern feudalism.

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pahnzoh t1_jdexo67 wrote

Your vote doesn't actually change anything. You can't change how other people vote. You have zero individual control over the force others want to use against you. Democracy = Evil system.

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Crepe_Cod t1_jdeyio7 wrote

I don't think my eyes could roll further into my skull

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NewEnglandBlueberry OP t1_jdecreb wrote

What would you expect to happen if you joined a gated community and started using their pool, golfing on their course, booking parties in their activity rooms etc. and then refused to pay your fees? Would you whine about how they're stealing from you while you get evicted?

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Crepe_Cod t1_jdemzyx wrote

The FSP is like if they joined a gated community and whined about the fees. Then they get all their friends to also join the gated community so one day they can vote to cut all the fees and let all the amenities and infrastructure go to shit. Then inevitably the shared road will fall apart and break someone's suspension, and the solution will be "well if you wanted to use the road you should have fixed it yourself"

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NewEnglandBlueberry OP t1_jdeoetr wrote

Then if someone does fix it they'll start demanding a fee higher than the original and claim it as a great victory for the free market. Meanwhile the people who originally lived there have been forced to move away because it's become too expensive to live there.

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NewEnglandBlueberry OP t1_jdebxm7 wrote

I like it here and while we are able to continue to push back against the free staters and other abusers I will likely stay. What I don't like are tax dodgers who conspire to move to our communities and argue against solving real issues and instead make proposals that would legalize tax dodging, gut our social programs and leave those who need help to their own devices.

If the day comes that you guys are able to create your libertarian "utopia", I will probably be forced to leave and watch my once beautiful state burn from the outside. Luckily, as I said above, free staters are inspiring us to get involved.

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