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NEED_TP_ASAP t1_iu9asy3 wrote

Reply to comment by dojijosu in Manchester felon gets nearly 3 years in prison after posting videos of himself holding handgun by Peeeculiar

Not arguing that prohibited persons should be in possession of a firearm. I have never seen that argument made even once.

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BowTiedAgorist t1_iu9ht0v wrote

Allow me.

Assuming he is no longer serving a sentence or parole, he should absolutely have his gun rights an voting rights restored. The additional penalty society applies by forcing him to surrender his rights well AFTER he's already served his time - is tantamount to making him a second class citizen. My stepfather wasn't able to vote for almost 10 years because of fist fight he got in he was 17.

Arguably - if he's not paid enough of a debt to society, to be trusted with a firearm in a society where firearms are part of the everyday culture, then why was he released from prison at all?

We regularly restrict people who are on parole, probation, or suspended sentence other forms of sentence disbursement from consuming drugs, alcohol, leaving the state etc - but that is by condition of agreement. they agree to those standards.

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nowhereman1223 t1_iu9jwtm wrote

I agree to an extent.

If they were convicted of using a firearm in a crime (even unloaded, not fired, etc) I don’t believe they should get that right back. Convicted of non-violent crime WITHOUT a firearm present? yeah, give them that right back. They have enough trouble as it is. Let them hunt. It’s gonna be hard enough to find work, don’t make feeding yourself a crime (I know most aren’t doing it to hunt but still its a crime for them too).

The right to vote however; should absolutely come back after they have fully served their sentence (parole, probation, etc).

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BowTiedAgorist t1_iu9uxb0 wrote

>If they were convicted of using a firearm in a crime (even unloaded, not fired, etc) I don’t believe they should get that right back.

I don't believe they should be let out.

Part of the problem I see with a lot of this is we treat simple nonsense crimes the same as we do violent crimes.

Rape, Murder, Armed\Aggravated Assault should be punished by decades long sentences (with very easy to understand strict prosecution standards, avoiding mandatory minimums, and extenuating circumstances aside of course). I agree that rehabilitation should be the ambition... but the truth of the matter is some crimes - rehabilitation isn't nearly as important as separating someone from society.

Also - Make prison punishment again. No bullshit privileges, no bullshit commissary, no bullshit work release programs. They should be largely responsible for growing their own food - incorporating fasting, meditation, and reading as part of the daily activities. Men\Women shouldn't go to prison just to stack protein and work out while learning to be more dangerous criminals.

Part of the problem in our society is straight up prosecutorial misconduct - supercharging easy convictions while giving sweet heart deals and early release to the real scum of the earth - because we filled our prisons with people who just didn't belong there.

Most crimes we charge people with should be re-evaluated.

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SheeEttin t1_iu9u0qz wrote

They should have the right to vote while on parole or probation. Hell, I don't see why they should ever lose the right to vote at all.

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BowTiedAgorist t1_iu9vxak wrote

I absolutely believe they should lose those rights while under confinement and under various early release programs.

They've proven they can't operate in society - why should they get a say in how society operates?

They're also - routinely - some of the least literate, educated, and informed people on the planet... hell if they were any good at forethought they probably wouldn't be in jail.

I'd sooner let 16 year olds vote than someone serving a sentence.

I am, however, also of the opinion that mandatory civics\reading tests should be require before you can vote - and we should raise the age to like 25

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_iu9xwx7 wrote

If these were requirements we would never elect another Republican again😂

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BowTiedAgorist t1_iu9zuje wrote

I've met BU\Umass college kids that couldn't do the same... I'm sure that whole crowd is just died in the wool red...

Maybe step back from the partisan circle jerk for a few minutes to let the obvious chaffing your jimmies are suffering subside. Goofy mf

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_iua4i7c wrote

Like I said. Wouldn’t be a dumb red neck Trump supporter in sight on Nov 4

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BowTiedAgorist t1_iub0tcr wrote

TDS - literally nobody even mentioned it but you can't keep him out of your head.

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_iubgupn wrote

We all knew from your post who your boy was. And he got his ass WHIPPED. Even with allowing you knuckle dragger to vote 😂

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dojijosu t1_iu9shg9 wrote

But why not? The 2nd amendment isn’t conditional. It doesn’t say anything about reasons it should be suspended or rescinded.

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