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1carus_x OP t1_j44e7p1 wrote

Reply to comment by Kekwexpress in New Hampshire Trans Sanctuary Bill (plus two others) by 1carus_x

Nope, intersex people are actually common, just as common as red heads, around 1.7% . Do you think those with blue eyes also have an abnormal condition since it was a mutation?
Again, don't care for your intersexism. And once again, I am asking, which of the several categories of sex are we referring to? Chromosomal, gonadal, morphological, endocrinologic? Intersex people's sex changes drastically depending on that category you're using.

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vipstrippers t1_j44lk4i wrote

Where did you get 1.7%? You’re telling me almost 2 people out of 100 are intersex.

Edit: that number came from one person

Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.

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largeb789 t1_j468g72 wrote

Even if it's 0.0017% the law should need to account for that situation. 0.0017% of 1.4 million would still leave the 24 people in a legal gray area and likely not legally able to enter a public restroom. A law restricting a person who has used the online handle of vipstrippers from entering a public restroom would be less restrictive.

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quackslikeadoug t1_j46aksy wrote

You're confusing sex with characteristics associated with sexual dimorphism. The only two categories involved in defining a person's sex are chromosomal and gonadal, and ultimately gonadal wins out in any case where the two can't otherwise be reconciled; what really matters for most medical and social purposes is a person's phenotypical, or gonadal, sex.

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1carus_x OP t1_j46avmn wrote

So you agree female isn't always XX then? There's XY woman with ovaries. Which, wow.... Means sex isn't binary! It's bimodal, two points that have an overlap. If it were binary there wouldn't be any overlap. What about those who don't have either or have both? Which bathroom does someone with a vagina and penis go to? Which prison would they put into? You'd be forcing men into the women's bathrooms, especially those who literally have peni and ovaries who have lived as men, are treated as such. Why do you want to make women uncomfortable?

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vipstrippers t1_j44m2ve wrote

Wrong

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/ Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.

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1carus_x OP t1_j44msd4 wrote

That is never what intersex meant lmao. It's pretty easy to look up the current definition of what is actually accepted. You are linking a post from 21 years ago. CAH babies are often forced to have genital mutilations, they are assigned the same and treated the same

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Kekwexpress t1_j4np5yh wrote

Ridiculous. You can’t say that intersex is common. It’s extremely rare. You can’t use intersex people as an example to obviate the biological duality of sex, which upon all generation is based since all of human history.

Intersex is a biological anomaly and can’t be used to invalidate the concept of sex as a generality. Even further, most intersex people still manifest as either male or female.

The idea that intersex people exist doesn’t invalidate the idea that there is a male and a female.

So without being daft, you tell me which category of sex they’re talking about.

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1carus_x OP t1_j4nq56k wrote

"Rare" yet there's at least two of us in these comments 🤭 no one has answered the question as to how those that can't be categorized into m or f would be placed, funny....

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